From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Sun Feb 1 10:14:27 2004 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Sun Feb 1 10:14:31 2004 Subject: [Rumori] SPAM: "recycle your record collection" t-shirts from animals within animals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040201181427.75209.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> spam alert: the following email wants to sell you t-shirts. go ahead & delete: i won't blame you... *** my bandmate unszene recently gained access to a large professional screen press, & has started a screen printing business. so naturally i jumped at the opportunity to get black screen-printed t-shirts made (no more of that cafepress crap)! check out the shirts here: http://www.animalswithinanimals.com/tshirt.jpg or you can look more closely at the design here: http://www.animalswithinanimals.com/recycle_your_record_collection.jpg these are ultra heavyweight 100% cotton black t-shirts, in L & XL sizes. i will sell them online for $10ppd anywhere within the US. (for outside the US, let's say $12ppd) i will accept paypal sent to stallio@geocities.com (please send paypal money only to this address). or email me for other payment options. & if you're looking for affordable quality screen printing services, i heartily recommend screen monkey, the new business from awia member unszene! prices are extremely competitive & the quality is very crisp & readable. http://home.earthlink.net/~unszene/screenmonkey/ ===== "When you are dealing with secretive regimes that want to deceive, you're never going to be able to be positive" - condi rice http://www.animalswithinanimals.com http://badtastesucks.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From anthonyh at epic.co.uk Tue Feb 3 14:24:11 2004 From: anthonyh at epic.co.uk (Anthony Hall) Date: Tue Feb 3 06:25:15 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040203142113.0231dd40@post.epic.co.uk> http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm even my own huge (english) reserves of irony are failing me.... From pl1x at earthlink.net Tue Feb 3 10:29:58 2004 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Tue Feb 3 07:30:16 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... Message-ID: <21068792.1075822198608.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> "My Words" This is the OPINION part of the show (hence "My Words"), not reportage. the news (suppostedly factual accounts of daily events) only exists for like 10 minutes during any normal hour of broadcasting. (3 1/2 minutes at the top of the hour, 3 1/2 at the half and (4) 1 minutes sprinkled in elsewhere, i would guess) that is what Fox claims to be Fair and Balanced, everything else is a tv show just like all the other channels. thus the title of the .htm is incorrect. Fox might allow this kind of speech but it does not represent the tv station's stance. (it might but they ain't gonna tell you that) It is the stance of the commentator. His Words. PeterALopez -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Hall Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm even my own huge (english) reserves of irony are failing me.... From boster at pobox.com Tue Feb 3 08:29:11 2004 From: boster at pobox.com (Bob Boster) Date: Tue Feb 3 08:30:37 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040203142113.0231dd40@post.epic.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040203082602.036f7dd0@pop3.covad.net> bb> Embarrassing. Just keep in mind that Murdoch has raped and pillaged the media in the UK as well as here... (Though I have to say, this one is up there with some of my favorite moments of Fox distortion and manipulation.) At 14:24 02/03/2004 +0000, you wrote: >http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm > >even my own huge (english) reserves of irony are failing me.... > > From anthonyh at epic.co.uk Tue Feb 3 17:02:14 2004 From: anthonyh at epic.co.uk (Anthony Hall) Date: Tue Feb 3 09:02:55 2004 Subject: [Rumori] SPAM: "recycle your record collection" t-shirts from animals within animals In-Reply-To: <20040201181427.75209.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040203170014.023ac830@post.epic.co.uk> I'd go for one shipped to this little isle - check your postage price first though and mail me back ? Can paypal no problem... Not thinking of doing any medium sized ones for us skinny guys then ? -- ant At 10:14 01/02/2004 -0800, you wrote: >spam alert: the following email wants to sell you t-shirts. go ahead & >delete: i won't blame you... > >*** >my bandmate unszene recently gained access to a large professional >screen press, & has started a screen printing business. so naturally i >jumped at the opportunity to get black screen-printed t-shirts made (no >more of that cafepress crap)! > >check out the shirts here: >http://www.animalswithinanimals.com/tshirt.jpg > >or you can look more closely at the design here: >http://www.animalswithinanimals.com/recycle_your_record_collection.jpg > >these are ultra heavyweight 100% cotton black t-shirts, in L & XL >sizes. i will sell them online for $10ppd anywhere within the US. (for >outside the US, let's say $12ppd) > >i will accept paypal sent to stallio@geocities.com (please send paypal >money only to this address). or email me for other payment options. > >& if you're looking for affordable quality screen printing services, i >heartily recommend screen monkey, the new business from awia member >unszene! prices are extremely competitive & the quality is very crisp >& readable. >http://home.earthlink.net/~unszene/screenmonkey/ > >===== >"When you are dealing with secretive regimes that want to deceive, you're >never going to be able to be positive" - condi rice >http://www.animalswithinanimals.com >http://badtastesucks.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk Tue Feb 3 17:26:02 2004 From: peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk (Vicki Bennett) Date: Tue Feb 3 09:26:14 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040203082602.036f7dd0@pop3.covad.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040203082602.036f7dd0@pop3.covad.net> Message-ID: <0A58661B-566E-11D8-A6CA-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> That is so gross, I can't help but take it personally, I feel proud to have grown up with the BBC. Vicki On 3 Feb 2004, at 16:29, Bob Boster wrote: > > > bb> Embarrassing. Just keep in mind that Murdoch has raped and > pillaged the media in the UK as well as here... > > (Though I have to say, this one is up there with some of my favorite > moments of Fox distortion and manipulation.) > > > At 14:24 02/03/2004 +0000, you wrote: >> http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm >> >> even my own huge (english) reserves of irony are failing me.... >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > http://www.peoplelikeus.org (website is back up!!!) http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/PL From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Tue Feb 3 12:54:14 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Tue Feb 3 12:54:50 2004 Subject: [Rumori] FW: Judge sentences man to listen to opera Message-ID: >http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_862147.html > >Judge sentences man to listen to opera > >A Miami Beach judge has sentenced a man to listen to an opera as punishment >for playing loud rap music in his car. > >Judge Jeffrey Swartz told Michael Carreras: "You impose your music on me >and I'm going to impose my music on you." > >Carreras was prosecuted by police after he was caught with rap music >blaring from his car stereo, says the St. Petersburg Times. > >Officers gave him a ticket under the city's strict noise ordinance. It >states police can prosecute someone if they can hear their stereo from 100 >feet away. > >Carreras was given the choice of paying a Ј280 fine, or listening to an >opera. > >Apparently Carreras chose opera and had to spend over two-and-a-half hours >in Judge Swartz's chambers listening to La Traviata. > >Carreras is said to have enjoyed the experience, tapping his foot during >the finale. "I think it's pretty relaxing," he said. _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Tue Feb 3 20:46:15 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Tue Feb 3 17:45:42 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... In-Reply-To: <0A58661B-566E-11D8-A6CA-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> Message-ID: Cannot stand to watch it for more than a few seconds, but I record a few hours of FOX "News" almost every day. Why? mmmwwwwwwaaaaahhaaaaahaaaahhhaaaahhhaaa.....cough....cough... Big plans. I gots BIG plans. Sack of lying shit-headed expletive deleteds they are indeed. Ed On Tuesday, February 3, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Vicki Bennett wrote: > That is so gross, I can't help but take it personally, I feel proud to > have grown up with the BBC. > > Vicki > > On 3 Feb 2004, at 16:29, Bob Boster wrote: > >> >> >> bb> Embarrassing. Just keep in mind that Murdoch has raped and >> pillaged the media in the UK as well as here... >> >> (Though I have to say, this one is up there with some of my favorite >> moments of Fox distortion and manipulation.) >> >> >> At 14:24 02/03/2004 +0000, you wrote: >>> http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm >>> >>> even my own huge (english) reserves of irony are failing me.... From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Tue Feb 3 20:52:09 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Tue Feb 3 17:51:37 2004 Subject: [Rumori] FW: Judge sentences man to listen to opera In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, February 3, 2004, at 03:54 PM, matt davignon wrote: >> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_862147.html >> >> Judge sentences man to listen to opera >> >> A Miami Beach judge has sentenced a man to listen to an opera as >> punishment for playing loud rap music in his car. >> Judge Jeffrey Swartz told Michael Carreras: "You impose your music on >> me and I'm going to impose my music on you." >> Carreras was prosecuted by police after he was caught with rap music >> blaring from his car stereo, says the St. Petersburg Times. >> Officers gave him a ticket under the city's strict noise ordinance. >> It states police can prosecute someone if they can hear their stereo >> from 100 feet away. >> Carreras was given the choice of paying a ?280 fine, or listening to >> an opera. >> Apparently Carreras chose opera and had to spend over two-and-a-half >> hours in Judge Swartz's chambers listening to La Traviata. >> Carreras is said to have enjoyed the experience, tapping his foot >> during the finale. "I think it's pretty relaxing," he said. First Detritus member that develops and makes available for distribution: a small portable instant anti-Muzak-in-public-places device wins a free piece of styrofoam! Ed From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Tue Feb 3 23:06:41 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Tue Feb 3 23:07:16 2004 Subject: [Rumori] FW: Judge sentences man to listen to opera Message-ID: The fun thing about Muzak is when you go back to work/home/friends afterwards, and getting the songs stuck in their heads. >From: Ed Special > >First Detritus member that develops and makes available for distribution: >a small portable instant anti-Muzak-in-public-places device wins a free >piece of styrofoam! > >Ed _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Tue Feb 3 23:14:20 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Tue Feb 3 23:14:54 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... Message-ID: It's like having their very own Rush Limbaugh. I'm sure Fox titled the segment as "opinion" or "editorial". It certainly adds to his credibility that he came up with a catchy nickname to call the BBC - "the beeb" - and he doens't suggest any motive for their frothy anti-americanism. It must be all that freedom we have. Wait a minute.... isn't that Senator Kelley? Shouldn't he be talking about locking away mutants or something? I thought he turned into water! >>>bb> Embarrassing. Just keep in mind that Murdoch has raped and pillaged >>>the media in the UK as well as here... >>> >>>(Though I have to say, this one is up there with some of my favorite >>>moments of Fox distortion and manipulation.) >>> >>> >>>At 14:24 02/03/2004 +0000, you wrote: >>>>http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm >>>> >>>>even my own huge (english) reserves of irony are failing me.... > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ _________________________________________________________________ What are the 5 hot job markets for 2004? Click here to find out. http://msn.careerbuilder.com/Custom/MSN/CareerAdvice/WPI_WhereWillWeFindJobsIn2004.htm?siteid=CBMSN3006&sc_extcmp=JS_wi08_dec03_hotmail1 From asfi at eol.ca Wed Feb 4 02:18:59 2004 From: asfi at eol.ca (Colin Hinz) Date: Tue Feb 3 23:18:17 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, matt davignon wrote: > It's like having their very own Rush Limbaugh. I'm sure Fox titled the > segment as "opinion" or "editorial". It certainly adds to his credibility > that he came up with a catchy nickname to call the BBC - "the beeb" - and he > doens't suggest any motive for their frothy anti-americanism. It must be all > that freedom we have. Ummmmm...."the beeb" is (a) not a new nickname and (b) home-grown anyways. Don't give him more credit than he deserves! - Colin Hinz Toronto, Canada From anthonyh at epic.co.uk Wed Feb 4 11:04:51 2004 From: anthonyh at epic.co.uk (Anthony Hall) Date: Wed Feb 4 03:05:35 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... In-Reply-To: <0A58661B-566E-11D8-A6CA-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040203082602.036f7dd0@pop3.covad.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20040203082602.036f7dd0@pop3.covad.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040204110336.0244f6d0@post.epic.co.uk> Follow up article... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110172,00.html Immense logic in this one. Not. -- ant At 17:26 03/02/2004 +0000, you wrote: >That is so gross, I can't help but take it personally, I feel proud to >have grown up with the BBC. > >Vicki > >On 3 Feb 2004, at 16:29, Bob Boster wrote: > >> >> >>bb> Embarrassing. Just keep in mind that Murdoch has raped and pillaged >>the media in the UK as well as here... >> >>(Though I have to say, this one is up there with some of my favorite >>moments of Fox distortion and manipulation.) >> >> >>At 14:24 02/03/2004 +0000, you wrote: >>>http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm >>> >>>even my own huge (english) reserves of irony are failing me.... >>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rumori mailing list >>Rumori@detritus.net >>http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >>older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ >> >http://www.peoplelikeus.org (website is back up!!!) >http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/PL > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From rizzi at browbeat.com Wed Feb 4 16:39:28 2004 From: rizzi at browbeat.com (Mike Rizzi) Date: Wed Feb 4 16:39:35 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fox : Home of unbiased reportage... In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Hall" at Feb 04, 2004 11:04:51 AM Message-ID: >Follow up article... > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110172,00.html My favorite part was that the "Sponsored Links" for that web page was for the BBC Online Shop. heh. mike rizzi From david at locarecords.com Thu Feb 5 06:24:56 2004 From: david at locarecords.com (david@locarecords.com) Date: Thu Feb 5 03:25:02 2004 Subject: [Rumori] AtATgram: "The Sound... Of Silence" (2/5/04) Message-ID: David is sending you a scene from _As_the_Apple_Turns!_ "Thought this would interest you all ... bizzare... Cheers David @ LOCA RECORDS" -David Scene 4490 follows: ----------------------------------------------------------------- "The Sound... Of Silence" (2/5/04) Listen! Hear that? No, seriously, listen _really carefully._ Hear it now? No? Well, neither do we. That's how quiet things are right now. Forget about drama; we'd settle for an SEC filing. Another freakin' design award. _Anything._ Instead, though, it's been so quiet that even the crickets are apparently comatose with boredom. But that's okay, right? Because we make our _own_ fun down here at the AtAT compound! Why, we have it on good authority that with nothing but pushpins and an eraser, we can make a little pig! But why raid the office supplies when we've got the iTunes Music Store to play with? Yesterday we mentioned in passing that faithful viewer DJSTEVE had purchased a track that cost him the "best 99 cents [he'd] ever spent." The joke, of course, was that it was the second track from _The Whitey Album_ by Ciccone Youth, which consists of a minute and three seconds' worth of silence. To tell you the truth, while we're amused by the fact that Apple is charging 99 cents for a song full o' nothing, we're even more amused by the fact that said track contains the usual digital rights management code to prevent you from playing it on any unauthorized systems. And the most amusing thing of all, of course, is that the song has a thirty-second preview. Well, as it turns out, the Ciccone Youth track is by no means the only all-silent untune for sale at the iTMS; faithful viewers BEN, SCOTT LEVIN, and MICHAEL WYSZOMIERSKI contributed their own suggestions, too. And you know how Apple recently added a bunch of "iTunes Essentials" playlists to the store, such as "Cover Songs" and "'70s AM Radio Classics"? Well, we've compiled all the silent tracks we managed to scrape together into the first AtAT Essentials playlist, "To Be Played At Maximum Volume." Since we lack the power to add playlists directly to the iTMS, you'll have to buy each of these tracks separately, but here ya go: * "(Silence)" by Ciccone Youth, _The Whitey Album_ (1:03) * "Silence" by Bill Schaeffer, _Grain of Sand_ (1:56) * "(Silent) [1]" by Slum Village, _Trinity (Past, Present, and Future)_ (0:04) [EXPLICIT] * "Silence" by Guster, _Keep It Together_ (0:30) * "Silence" by Pat, _Message from a Manchild_ (0:59) * "(Silent) [2]" by Slum Village, _Trinity (Past, Present, and Future)_ (0:04) [EXPLICIT] * "Silence" by Dean Taba, _More Is More_ (1:00) * "(Silent) [3]" by Slum Village, _Trinity (Past, Present, and Future)_ (0:07) [EXPLICIT] * "Silent Track" by Robert Earl Keen, _Walking Distance_ (1:01) Note that three of those tracks, the ones by Slum Village, are labeled EXPLICIT. We've listened to them, and we have to agree: combined, that's the dirtiest fifteen seconds of utter silence we've ever not heard. It's so dirty, it's like Handel's _Messiah,_ only, you know, quiet. So for those of you who can't handle EXPLICIT silence, go ahead and substitute these, instead-- they're the same Slum Village tracks, only CLEAN (and, for some reason, titled without parentheses): * "Silent [1]" by Slum Village, _Trinity (Past, Present, and Future)_ (0:04) [CLEAN] * "Silent [2]" by Slum Village, _Trinity (Past, Present, and Future)_ (0:04) [CLEAN] * "Silent [3]" by Slum Village, _Trinity (Past, Present, and Future)_ (0:07) [CLEAN] And there you have it: nine tracks of professionally-encoded silence-- a total of six minutes and forty-four seconds of the yawning void, all yours for just $8.91. And if you like, you can even keep the EXPLICIT tracks in the main playlist, add the CLEAN ones at the end, and get fifteen _bonus_ seconds of silence for just $2.97 more! Talk about your seven minutes in heaven, right? It's just a shame that "15 Minutes Silence" by Deuter, as pointed out by faithful viewer ROB HULSON, is an Album-Only purchase. Especially since it is, for some reason, _sixteen_ minutes long... ----------------------------------------------------------------- To see this scene as it was meant to be seen, complete with links to articles and formatted as originally broadcast, visit: To see the complete, unadulterated episode in which this scene was originally broadcast, visit: ----------------------------------------------------------------- As the Apple Turns: This Scene: This Episode: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c)1997-2004 J. Miller; please don't forward without this attribution and the URLs above. Other reproduction requires J. Miller's explicit consent; please contact him at the site. Thanks. From brainstone at yifan.net Thu Feb 5 10:10:42 2004 From: brainstone at yifan.net (stephen hastings-king) Date: Thu Feb 5 07:12:53 2004 Subject: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright world Message-ID: <40225cf2.4a18.0@yifan.net> list comrades! i find myself getting pulled into a dispute over making audio material available via mp3 for the music classes i am teaching at the university level(for the moment, i shall be coy about which one--no reason for this really--perhaps coy is an end in itself) and am trying to sort out what is really going on behind the fear-of-the-riaa dimension. the courses are a jazz history thing and one on experimental music since the 1950s. both are organized around a significant audio dimension, particularly the latter course, where that component serves as a kind of ear training--so the music needed to be available from the outset, and it should be technically--and the students should be able to listen to this music alot---but the university is freaked out by the possibility of the riaa suing them and as a result of this the means for making available is now a problem. i am not the first person to use the net in this way here--but my particular problem is that i discovered that i am being used as a pilot program for the particular program i am working for, and this means both excessive visibility from the adminsitrative viewpoint and far more contact with the ambinet paranoia engendered by the brave new world of ip law. i had been forced to create a website with password protection and streaming-only limits on access. this was to sit on a server, one that would have been linked via the programme in the context of which i am working at the moment. this would have been fine, but the university now says that i have to use their blackboard system, which they talk of as if it was an intranet site, but which is, in fact, the same as the other kind of site. the questions that follow from this are: 1. what defines an educational use for copyrighted material? 2. following from this, are people who try to use the net as a medium for making audio material available for students running into trouble on copyright grounds? is there any place to go for information about this kind of problem, so that one could get a sense of what the basis for such problems might be, how the law is shifting, etc.? 3. my suspicion is that the university is simply trying to justify having sunk alot of money into this goofy blackboard system--which has the advantage (from the university's standpoint) of making it quite difficult to transfer course content out of it if, say, you as a teacher switch universities. in other words, blackboard functions as a way for the university of gather and maintain content of courses independently of the presence of a given teacher...but i cant tell if anything more is really at issue here, and so i turn to you folks to help me sort this out. 4. what are the alternatives? i was going to ask the students to buy a bunch of cds, but even at a place like this one, there are limits to how much i can ask the students to pay for a given class--for example, the jazz class is using a textbook that has its virtues (mark gridley's jazz styles) most of which are counterbalanced by the extortionate price ($80.-)...library reserve might be an option, but it imposes real constraints on the utility of the music as a form of ear training...so these restrictions on access seem primarily as yet another pressure that reinforces the class divisions within a given student population... anyway, my apologies if his is excessively narrow a question--it seems to have wider implications in principle--but there we are. stephen ----------------------------------------------------- http://eo.yifan.net Free POP3/Web Email, File Manager, Calendar and Address Book From david at locarecords.com Thu Feb 5 16:10:43 2004 From: david at locarecords.com (David meme) Date: Thu Feb 5 08:10:46 2004 Subject: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright world In-Reply-To: <40225cf2.4a18.0@yifan.net> References: <40225cf2.4a18.0@yifan.net> Message-ID: If you are ever teaching electronica or post-rock forms our tracks on http://www.locarecords.com/downloads.html are licensed for you to use without fear. But this might also be useful.. http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,61173,00.html On 5 Feb 2004, at 15:10, stephen hastings-king wrote: > list comrades! > i find myself getting pulled into a dispute over making audio material > available via mp3 for the music classes i am teaching at the university > level(for the moment, i shall be coy about which one--no reason for > this really--perhaps coy is an end in itself) and am trying to sort out > what is really going on behind the fear-of-the-riaa dimension. > > the courses are a jazz history thing and one on experimental music > since the 1950s. both are organized around a significant audio > dimension, particularly the latter course, where that component serves > as a kind of ear training--so the music needed to be available from the > outset, and it should be technically--and the students should be able > to listen to this music alot---but the university is freaked out by the > possibility of the riaa suing them and as a result of this the means > for making available is now a problem. i am not the first person to > use the net in this way here--but my particular problem is that i > discovered that i am being used as a pilot program for the particular > program i am working for, and this means both excessive visibility from > the adminsitrative viewpoint and far more contact with the ambinet > paranoia engendered by the brave new world of ip law. > > > i had been forced to create a website with password protection and > streaming-only limits on access. this was to sit on a server, one that > would have been linked via the programme in the context of which i am > working at the moment. this would have been fine, but the university > now says that i have to use their blackboard system, which they talk of > as if it was an intranet site, but which is, in fact, the same as the > other kind of site. the questions that follow from this are: > > 1. what defines an educational use for copyrighted material? > > 2. following from this, are people who try to use the net as a medium > for making audio material available for students running into trouble > on copyright grounds? is there any place to go for information about > this kind of problem, so that one could get a sense of what the basis > for such problems might be, how the law is shifting, etc.? > > 3. my suspicion is that the university is simply trying to justify > having sunk alot of money into this goofy blackboard system--which has > the advantage (from the university's standpoint) of making it quite > difficult to transfer course content out of it if, say, you as a > teacher switch universities. in other words, blackboard functions as a > way for the university of gather and maintain content of courses > independently of the presence of a given teacher...but i cant tell if > anything more is really at issue here, and so i turn to you folks to > help me sort this out. > > 4. what are the alternatives? i was going to ask the students to buy a > bunch of cds, but even at a place like this one, there are limits to > how much i can ask the students to pay for a given class--for example, > the jazz class is using a textbook that has its virtues (mark gridley's > jazz styles) most of which are counterbalanced by the extortionate > price ($80.-)...library reserve might be an option, but it imposes real > constraints on the utility of the music as a form of ear training...so > these restrictions on access seem primarily as yet another pressure > that reinforces the class divisions within a given student > population... > > anyway, my apologies if his is excessively narrow a question--it seems > to have wider implications in principle--but there we are. > > stephen > > ----------------------------------------------------- > http://eo.yifan.net > Free POP3/Web Email, File Manager, Calendar and Address Book > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > > --------THE OPEN SOURCE RECORD LABEL-------- L O C A R E C O R D S Stick to What You Don't Know? http://www.locarecords.com From peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk Thu Feb 5 16:17:41 2004 From: peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk (Vicki Bennett) Date: Thu Feb 5 08:23:34 2004 Subject: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright world In-Reply-To: References: <40225cf2.4a18.0@yifan.net> Message-ID: Hi You're welcome to mine too - http://www.peoplelikeus.org/dnload.htm Check out Ubuweb as well - http://www.ubu.com and the Creative Commons site - http://www.creativecommons.org Hope that helps for the present anyway. Vicki On 5 Feb 2004, at 16:10, David meme wrote: > > If you are ever teaching electronica or post-rock forms our tracks on > http://www.locarecords.com/downloads.html are licensed for you to use > without fear. But this might also be useful.. > http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,61173,00.html > > > > On 5 Feb 2004, at 15:10, stephen hastings-king wrote: > >> list comrades! >> i find myself getting pulled into a dispute over making audio material >> available via mp3 for the music classes i am teaching at the >> university >> level(for the moment, i shall be coy about which one--no reason for >> this really--perhaps coy is an end in itself) and am trying to sort >> out >> what is really going on behind the fear-of-the-riaa dimension. From tangent at inspire.net.nz Fri Feb 6 13:51:51 2004 From: tangent at inspire.net.nz (Sam Stephens) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:48:33 2004 Subject: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright world In-Reply-To: <40225cf2.4a18.0@yifan.net> Message-ID: <40239BF7.12664.F7107@localhost> On 5 Feb 2004 at 10:10, stephen hastings-king wrote: > list comrades! > 4. what are the alternatives? i was going to ask the students to buy a > bunch of cds, but even at a place like this one, there are limits to > how much i can ask the students to pay for a given class--for example, > the jazz class is using a textbook that has its virtues (mark gridley's > jazz styles) most of which are counterbalanced by the extortionate > price ($80.-)...library reserve might be an option, but it imposes real > constraints on the utility of the music as a form of ear training...so > these restrictions on access seem primarily as yet another pressure > that reinforces the class divisions within a given student population... > While I was at jazz school the school had a huge library of CDs - I heard a huge amount of good music while I was there because of this... could this be an option for your course? * postmoderncore website (w/ mp3s & art) http://www.postmoderncore.com Richie Rhinestone and the Insatiable Opium Cowboys new album "I ain't never been to heaven, but I hear they've got a real good bar" http://www.postmoderncore.com/music-opiumcowboys.html * From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 17:05:45 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Thu Feb 5 17:06:20 2004 Subject: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright world Message-ID: Another thing to consider is that, if you were expecting the students to be able to listen to mp3's, you could burn the mp3's to CDR-s, and the cost to you would be less than $1 per disc. Regular CDR's can hold about 10 hours of mp3's. >From: "Sam Stephens" >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." >To: brainstone@yifan.net,"Detritus discussion list." >Subject: Re: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright >world >Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:51:51 +1300 > >On 5 Feb 2004 at 10:10, stephen hastings-king wrote: > > > list comrades! > > > 4. what are the alternatives? i was going to ask the students to buy a > > bunch of cds, but even at a place like this one, there are limits to > > how much i can ask the students to pay for a given class--for example, > > the jazz class is using a textbook that has its virtues (mark gridley's > > jazz styles) most of which are counterbalanced by the extortionate > > price ($80.-)...library reserve might be an option, but it imposes real > > constraints on the utility of the music as a form of ear training...so > > these restrictions on access seem primarily as yet another pressure > > that reinforces the class divisions within a given student population... > > > >While I was at jazz school the school had a huge library of CDs - I heard a >huge amount of >good music while I was there because of this... could this be an option for >your course? > >* >postmoderncore website (w/ mp3s & art) > http://www.postmoderncore.com >Richie Rhinestone and the Insatiable Opium Cowboys new album "I ain't never >been to >heaven, but I hear they've got a real good bar" > http://www.postmoderncore.com/music-opiumcowboys.html >* > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ _________________________________________________________________ Check out the great features of the new MSN 9 Dial-up, with the MSN Dial-up Accelerator. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 17:02:55 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Thu Feb 5 17:11:50 2004 Subject: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright world Message-ID: When I was in college, my "20th Century Music" teacher made mix tapes of the relevant work, and left them in the library. The library had tape copy machines which could be used by the students. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but wouldn't distributing the works for the purposes of education be the definition of "Fair Use", even if it was by mp3? >From: "Sam Stephens" >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." >To: brainstone@yifan.net,"Detritus discussion list." >Subject: Re: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright >world >Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:51:51 +1300 > >On 5 Feb 2004 at 10:10, stephen hastings-king wrote: > > > list comrades! > > > 4. what are the alternatives? i was going to ask the students to buy a > > bunch of cds, but even at a place like this one, there are limits to > > how much i can ask the students to pay for a given class--for example, > > the jazz class is using a textbook that has its virtues (mark gridley's > > jazz styles) most of which are counterbalanced by the extortionate > > price ($80.-)...library reserve might be an option, but it imposes real > > constraints on the utility of the music as a form of ear training...so > > these restrictions on access seem primarily as yet another pressure > > that reinforces the class divisions within a given student population... > > > >While I was at jazz school the school had a huge library of CDs - I heard a >huge amount of >good music while I was there because of this... could this be an option for >your course? > >* >postmoderncore website (w/ mp3s & art) > http://www.postmoderncore.com >Richie Rhinestone and the Insatiable Opium Cowboys new album "I ain't never >been to >heaven, but I hear they've got a real good bar" > http://www.postmoderncore.com/music-opiumcowboys.html >* > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ _________________________________________________________________ Keep up with high-tech trends here at "Hook'd on Technology." http://special.msn.com/msnbc/hookedontech.armx From praemedia at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 17:13:48 2004 From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia) Date: Thu Feb 5 17:13:53 2004 Subject: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright world In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040206011348.46478.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but > wouldn't distributing the > works for the purposes of education be the > definition of "Fair Use", even if > it was by mp3? Supposedly, YES. In fact, educational purposes are one of the primary reasons for the fair use clause(and mentioned in them). lance __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From pl1x at earthlink.net Fri Feb 6 09:19:26 2004 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Fri Feb 6 06:19:31 2004 Subject: [Rumori] MIPI raids Sharman Networks, Brilliant Digital Entertainment Message-ID: <27304014.1076077166974.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> from /. http://slashdot.org/articles/04/02/06/0423256.shtml?tid=126&tid=141&tid=188&tid=95 http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/business/0,39023166,39116016,00.htm UPDATE: MIPI raids Sharman Networks, Brilliant Digital Entertainment By James Pearce, ZDNet Australia 06 February 2004 UPDATE:Music Industry Piracy Investigations this morning raided the offices of P2P companies Sharman Networks and Brilliant Digital Entertainment, along with the homes of key executives and several ISPs. MIPI obtained an Anton Pilar order ??? which allows a copyright holder to enter a premises to search for and seize material that breaches copyright without alerting the target through court proceedings ??? yesterday from Justice Murray Wilcox, and began raiding premises in Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria this morning searching for documents and electronic evidence to support its case against the peer-to-peer companies. In addition to the offices of Sharman Networks and Brilliant Digital Entertainment (BDE), MIPI raided the residences of Sharman Networks??? CEO Nikki Hemming, Brilliant Digital Entertainment Chief Executive Officer and President Kevin Burmeister and Phil Morle, Director of Technology at Sharman Networks. Monash University, the University of Queensland and the University of New South Wales were also raided, as well as four ISPs including Telstra. "Telstra lawyers are presently working with lawyers from the record labels in order to determine exactly what information is being sought under the terms of the order," Telstra spokesman Warwick Ponder told ZDNet Australia . "We have not been asked for and will not provide any BigPond subscriber information." "Telstra has made it very clear for a long time now that it does not support copyright infringement or any other illegal activity," said Ponder. "At the same time Telstra clearly respects its obligation to protect customers information and privacy under the Telecommunication Act and Privacy Act under Federal law." MIPI general manager Michael Speck told ZDNet Australia the order was specifically targeted at the operators of the Kazaa network. "This is not about individuals, this is about the big fish," said Speck. "This is a signal that Internet music piracy is finished in Australia." The ISPs and Universities were raided to gain evidence about the operators of the Kazaa network. The investigation into the Kazaa network has been ongoing for six months, and was precipitated by a significant change in the physical and technical structure of Sharman Networks, according to Speck. "The Kazaa operation infringes copyright within the terms of the Australian Copyright Act," he said. "This action appears to be an extraordinary waste of time, money and resources going over legal ground that has been well and truly covered in the US and Dutch Courts over the past 18 months," said Sharman Networks in a statement. "This is a knee-jerk reaction by the recording industry to discredit Sharman Networks and the Kazaa software, following a number of recent court decisions around the world that have ruled against the entertainment industry???s agenda to stamp out peer-to-peer technology." Sharman Networks became a target for the music industry when it purchased the Kazaa peer-to-peer file-sharing technology from its Dutch creators Kazaa BV in 2002. It has had a long relationship with BDE, and in 2002 had to defend against a backlash when it was revealed spyware had been included with the Kazaa software. BDE subsidiary Altnet was later formed and offered to pay people for hosting content on the Kazaa network. "Kazaa operators know the difference and make the decision as to whether they facilitate legitimate or illegitimate downloads," said Speck. "It's very clear they are facilitating and authorising global copyright infringement." Sharman disagreed, claiming it bought the Kazaa software "with the express purpose of building it into a legitimate channel for the distribution of licensed, copyright protected content which in turn financially benefits artists". "There is no doubt this is a cynical attempt by the industry to disrupt our business, regain lost momentum, and garner publicity," said Sharman. "The assertions by plaintiffs are hackneyed and worn out. It is a gross misrepresentation of Sharman???s business to suggest that the company in any way facilitates or encourages copyright infringement." Monash University and the University of Queensland have challenged the order, and the arguments will be heard before Justice Wilcox at 3.30 pm today. Sharman Networks, Australian subsidiary LEF Interactive and BDE will face the record company lawyers before Justice Wilcox on Tuesday. According to MIPI, there are around three million users simultaneously online and connected to the Kazaa network at any one time sharing around 573 million files. Over 850,000 tracks are made available by over 2,500 Australian users. If each downloaded track was purchased for US$0.99 the total would be over US$2 billion per month globally. From illegalart at detritus.net Fri Feb 6 15:50:31 2004 From: illegalart at detritus.net (illegal art) Date: Fri Feb 6 13:50:35 2004 Subject: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright world In-Reply-To: <20040206011348.46478.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040206011348.46478.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but >> wouldn't distributing the >> works for the purposes of education be the >> definition of "Fair Use", even if >> it was by mp3? > >Supposedly, YES. In fact, educational purposes are one >of the primary reasons for the fair use clause(and >mentioned in them). > yeah, this is true.. but universities and libraries are extremely cautious, especially when dealing with digital copies. the library here will only put up 10% of a book electronically. most institutions are more interested in being "safe" then in exploring the boundaries of fair use. philo From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Fri Feb 6 15:54:52 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Fri Feb 6 15:55:29 2004 Subject: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright world Message-ID: I don't have the text of the law on me, but from what I remember, it'd be nowhere near the boundaries of fair use. It's right in the middle! If it were me, I'd show them a copy of the "fair use" clause of the copyright act and see if that eases their worries any. Matt >From: illegal art >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." >To: "Detritus discussion list." >Subject: Re: [Rumori] my tedious journey through the brave new copyright >world >Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:50:31 -0600 > >> > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but >>> wouldn't distributing the >>> works for the purposes of education be the >>> definition of "Fair Use", even if >>> it was by mp3? >> >>Supposedly, YES. In fact, educational purposes are one >>of the primary reasons for the fair use clause(and >>mentioned in them). >> > > >yeah, this is true.. but universities and libraries are extremely cautious, >especially when dealing with digital copies. the library here will only >put up 10% of a book electronically. most institutions are more interested >in being "safe" then in exploring the boundaries of fair use. > >philo > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ _________________________________________________________________ Plan your next US getaway to one of the super destinations here. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx From alias at aliasfrequencies.org Mon Feb 9 10:33:51 2004 From: alias at aliasfrequencies.org (shannon o'neill) Date: Sun Feb 8 15:34:16 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fwd: [ACC News-l] Australia/US free trade agreement Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040209103042.01c66e70@aliasfrequencies.org> Unlike the US, Australia has no Fair Use provisions, and no Bill of Rights. >Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:54:28 +1100 >To: ACCNewsList >From: news-l@copyright.org.au >Subject: [ACC News-l] Australia/US free trade agreement > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Australian Copyright Council --- Subscriber Information Services >============================================================================ >Please do not reply to this email. You may contact the Copyright Council at >info@copyright.org.au. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Australia and the US have concluded a free trade agreement which includes >provisions on intellectual property. > >The Government's fact sheet on intellectual property is available from >http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/negotiations/us.html > >The agreement includes: > >* an extension of the period of copyright protection > >* tighter controls over circumvention of technological protection measures >'with a mechanism for ... public interest exceptions' > >* 'an expeditious process that allows for copyright owners to engage with >Internet Service Providers and subscribers to deal with allegedly infringing >copyright material on the Internet' > >* provisions on enforcement, including remedies and penalties > >* increased protection against broadcast decoders > >* 'agreement on standards of copyright protection' > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From Australian Copyright Council >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Please reply to: info@copyright.org.au >PO Box 1986 Strawberry Hills NSW 2012 >Australia > >+61 2 9318 1788 (Tel, copyright information) >+61 2 9699 3247 (Tel, admin and sales) >+61 2 9698 3536 (Fax) >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >News-l mailing list >News-l@copyright.org.au >http://gus.copyright.org.au/mailman/listinfo/news-l From peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk Mon Feb 9 18:35:41 2004 From: peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk (Vicki Bennett) Date: Mon Feb 9 10:35:54 2004 Subject: [Rumori] birthday Message-ID: Hi Detrivores, It's Don Joyce from Negativland's 60th birthday today, do send birthday greetings to don@negativland.com Cheers Vicki P L U From footage at panix.com Tue Feb 10 10:08:32 2004 From: footage at panix.com (Rick Prelinger) Date: Tue Feb 10 10:08:32 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fwd: Sampling and fair use - pressure me! Message-ID: Looks like this filmmaker could use some help. Rick >>Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:17:23 -0500 (EST) >>From: satanmacnuggit >>Subject: Sampling and fair use - pressure me! >> >>NIFF AND FAIR USE >>A PRESSURE CAMPAIGN AGAINST MYSELF >>CALL FOR SUPPORT FROM JONATHAN CULP >> >>This one is really important and is just killing me so check it out. >> >>In 2002 I had a film accepted, then rejected from the Niagara (Canada) >>Indie Film Festival due to copyright. As you may know, I make collage >>films from mass media imagery in order to question and contextualize, and >>therefore critique, those images. I do this because 1) I'm broke and it's >>an accessible method under the circumstances, and 2) I have loved hip hop >>ever since my ear caught a fragment of "Night of the Living Baseheads" in >>the intro to Bowie's "Fame." The idea that I owe money (tens of dollars a >>SECOND usually) to corporate owners of intellectual property, if I wish to >>critique them in my media of choice, is just not convincing to me. >>"Artists' rights?" Ain't I an artist? >> >>So in 2003 I submitted again, pleading with them that, now that the place >>where I was born finally has ONE film festival, they could reconsider this >>rule. I made my arguments and gave them letters of support, including from >>other film festival workers, since this policy is in fact an anomaly on >>the festival as opposed to broadcast level - even TIFF has given awards to >>uncleared collage films in recent memory. >> >>CASH awards at that - and that is one reason I found NIFF's response >>unacceptable, because they made the case that it was unjust for collage >>films to be entered into competition for cash prizes. The compromise they >>offered was to show my films at a special free screening, to be followed >>by a debate with a copyright lawyer. Aside from the fact that I was >>working and could not attend the festival, I couldn't help but remember >>what Alanis Obomsawin told the CBC when they broadcast a rebuttal after >>"Kanehsatake": the film speaks for itself. >> >>Now it is 2004 and the festival deadline is approaching again, and I am >>living IN THE VERY CITY where the festival is happening. I have dreaded >>playing political games with one of the tiny handful of arts resources in >>Niagara, and so I have tried to deal with it through reason and argument. >>The upshot of this was that, after strenuously agreeing with all my >>arguments, the festival director explained, "It's complicated and you'll >>just have to trust me." You can write your own snappy answer to THAT. >> >>So...I wrote a petition. I prepared to place it on line, and started >>asking around for folks to endorse my demands. Which were: >> >>1) that NIFF accept fair use collage films on equal terms, without >>stigma; >> >>2) that NIFF allow filmmakers to 'sign off' on copyright liability without >>additional interrogation and policing by festival staff; >> >>3) that NIFF should institute concrete and publicized methods by which the >>public can participate in decision-making and the formulation or amendment >>of policy. >> >>I've never organized, as opposed to documented, an activist campaign >>before. My skills are not too compatible but I was ready to learn if the >>alternative was artistic exile. However, now I have to face facts. Ever >>since I got back from tour, I have been dealing like mad with my personal >>emotional baggage, which I won't even get IN to here. Although I finally >>have a (temporary, borrowed) home and (too many!) moments to myself, my >>demons are eating up time that I should be spending on editing my feature, >>jamming with my band, writing. >> >>At any rate, one thing I have learned is that it is futile to try or >>pretend that you are solving the problems of your world ALONE; and to try >>to organize a campaign in my current situation would almost certainly >>reproduce that terrible mistake. >> >>SO: >> >>What I am going to suggest that you do is to write to ME and exert a >>pressure campaign on ME to keep making collage films, that methods of >>media sampling and commentary can be worthwhile and useful and should be >>supported from an activist and/or artistic perspective. >> >>Talk in your own words, from your own knowledge and experience, and give >>examples if possible. Differing viewpoints are welcome. Pix and crap like >>that all great; hell, do a collage about it. Email everything to >>jonathan@satanmacnuggit.com. >> >>If I get enough replies before April 1, I will put them out in a zine, or >>post them on the web site, or both. NIFF will definitely get to see >>your perspectives, in whatever form. >> >>Circulate, post, publish, announce. The more the merrier. Thanks! >> >>- Jonathan Culp >>Satan Macnuggit Popular Arts >>www.satanmacnuggit.com > >_______________________________________________ >Sfbay-video mailing list >Sfbay-video@lists.indymedia.org >http://lists.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sfbay-video -- Rick Prelinger Prelinger Archives http://www.prelinger.com P.O. Box 590622, San Francisco, Calif. 94159-0622 USA footage@panix.com Online film collection at Internet Archive: http://www.archive.org/movies/prelinger.php From peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk Fri Feb 13 18:10:57 2004 From: peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk (Vicki Bennett) Date: Fri Feb 13 10:11:05 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fwd: People Like Us News (nearly) Spring 2004 Message-ID: Hello People, Haven't been in contact for a couple of months, had a few little computer er, mishaps... here's some news on what's new with PLU. RADIO Broadcasting weekly in London on Resonance FM Firstly, DO or DIY, our weekly WFMU show, is now being 7pm-8pm UK time on Saturday evenings, on Resonance FM. The shows are being broadcast in a random order, taken from the show's existing archives. Listen on the radio in London on 104.4FM and on the web through http://www.resonancefm.com And of course Every Wednesday 7pm-8pm EST/midnight UK time on http://wfmu.org/playlists/PL - this is archived shortly after the show, for later listening. WFMU Fundraising Marathon, 8-21st March 2004 Once a year WFMU has a marathon to raise the funding to keep going for another year. It is 100% public funded. PLU will be going to NY to take part in the marathon, including broadcasting DO or DIY Live, both on the 10th and 17th March. Also we will be co-hosting with some other WFMU DJs, including Kenny G on Anal Magic, at 3-6pm on 17th March. Plus a show with Pseu Braun, date to be confirmed. More info will be published in the coming weeks on our site and http://www.wfmu.org PLU (and friends) LIVE 24 February 2004 People Like Us and Felix Kubin will be doing a residency at FACT in Liverpool, which will include solo gigs from both artists. More details soon at http://www.fact.co.uk 12 March 2004 People Like Us will be particpating in the 11th Annual New York Underground Film Festival. http://www.nyuff.com/ Anthology Film Archives 32 Second Ave at Second St. Friday, March 12 $8.50, tickets available day of show, at theater Box Office, which opens at noon. (This will be the same concert that we did at the WFMU OCDJ Benefit in the fall.) 30 March 2004 People Like Us will perform a concert at Virginia Film Festival. Details here: http://www.vafilm.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php? id=228&PHPSESSID=f6e66ec97fbf9b81233d2b28242c3ee8 April 2004 Probable gig in Toronto, yet to be confirmed. 8 May 2004 Ergo Phizmiz, and People Like Us & Wobbly (jointly - that's two gigs - Ergo alone, plus PLU/Wobbly) will perform in London at The Spitz. The concert will be presented by BBC Radio 3's "Mixing It", and broadcast shortly after on their show. The event will be for a specially invited audience, if you want to come, please contact us. 14-16 May 2004 Well we seem to have known for about 7 years now that we are doing this gig, but here's a reminder because it's coming up. 14 May COIL, CARTER TUTTI, BLACK DICE, LYDIA LUNCH, ALEC EMPIRE, SOFT PINK TRUTH, V V E, FILMS + VIDEOS 15 May THEE MAJESTY, SCANNER, RICHARD H. KIRK. MATMOS, MEGO TAG TEAM, DANIEL MILLER DJ , PROJECT DARK, BIG BOTTOM, PEOPLE LIKE US, JACK SARGENT FILMS + VIDEOS 16th May THROBBING GRISTLE, PANSONIC, MERZBOW, ANDREW WEATHERALL DJ, THIGHPAULSANDRA, JIM O'ROURKE, SIMON FISHER TURNER, JOHN LACEY DJ FILMS + VIDEOS 14th-16th May Site specific Artworks by JAKE & DINOS CHAPMAN. Rare film works from the DEREK JARMAN archive. Site specific sound installations 24-Hour in-house TV programming. Exclusive merchandise. And many more Industrial attractions. More details at http://www.throbbing-gristle.com Please don't ask us about tickets - go through the site. We have no other information as yet. INTERVIEWS + LINKS February 2004 PLU interview here: http://www.t-i-n-a.org/communique/news/news1.html RELEASES Ergo Phizmiz, Xper. Xr. and People Like Us - "Gongexeva" more info here: http://www.peoplelikeus.org/gongexeva.html AND OF COURSE DON'T FORGET PLU put everything online, aren't we clever Thanks to UBUWEB (http://www.ubu.com), we now can make available many many many PLU tracks for free download here. Don't forget folks, "if you didn't pay for it, it's not illegal" ..... OK, that's yer lot - if we spammed you then we apologise, we didn't mean no harm. Reply and we disappear in rapid gunfire. Thanks, Vicki P L U http://www.peoplelikeus.org From ll at detritus.net Sun Feb 15 21:21:57 2004 From: ll at detritus.net (Lloyd Dunn) Date: Sun Feb 15 12:22:05 2004 Subject: [Rumori] [Psrf] Photostatic Retrograde Archive, no. 27' and no. 25/26 Message-ID: # If you no longer wish to recieve e-mail announcements from the # Photostatic Retrograde Archive, simply let us know and we will remove # your name from the mailing list. # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Now available for download, Retrograde Release no. 28, February 2004: PhonoStatic 27' cassette Description: http://psrf.detritus.net/volume/5/k7.html (direct download of 11 ogg vorbis file available on above link) Description. "Audio Anxiety." The present collection treats us to, among other things, an early two-track cut-up experiment by The Tape-beatles that brazenly rips off the Benny Goodman Orchestra; a snotty commentary about the then-current state of art by Weather Nouveau; representative pieces from the voluminous and adventuresome cassette deck stylings of X.Y. Zedd; and spooky soundbed meets headbending philosophy by Bob Gregory and Jason Gibbs. Cellist and electronic musician Fredrick Lonberg-Holm contributes the excellent "Bits", and along with all this is the consummate noise-art by such familiar names as Big City Orchestra, tENTATIVELY, a cONVENIENCE, and The Haters; among others. Contributors include. Bob Gregory and Jason Gibbs, Weather Nouveau, The Tape-beatles, Fredrick Lonberg-Holm, X.Y. Zedd, The Haters, tENTATIVELY, a cONVENIENCE, Big City Orchestra, and John E. --- and --- Now available for download, Retrograde Release no. 29, March 2004: PhotoStatic 25/26 Double Issue Description: http://psrf.detritus.net/volume/5/p2526.html Direct download: http://psrf.detritus.net/pdf/p2526.pdf (14.8 Mb) Description. "Networking." This issue falls in one of yearly numbering deviations to which the series was prone, comprising massive double issue of over a hundred pages. Readers were also treated to the noteworthy augment of a series of 20 artist post cards interspersed throughout, a large-format photocopy poster, and a "stamp grab-bag" of postage stamps from around the world. Too many artists took part in this issue for me to justify singling any of them out, and so I leave the list at the end of this page to speak for itself. The editor is indebted to all their efforts, and grateful for their willingness to trust their expressions to my hands. Contributors include. Ll. Dunn, Piotr Szyhalski, Crag Hill, Ruggero Maggi, Carol Stetser, Lang Thompson, Phlegm Pets, Chris Winkler, Janet Janet, John Rininger, d'Zoid, Bob Gregory, Jack Moskovitz, R. K. Courtney, Greg Evason, Thomas Wiloch, Zen Sutherland, Ben Allen, Ph. Bill?, Harry Polkinhorn, Joel Lipman, Daniel Plunkett, Chris Mitchell, Serse Luigetti, A.1. Waste Paper Co., Joseph Keppler, G. X. Jupitter-Larsen, Alessandro Aiello, Uta-Maria Krapf, G. Huth, DeVillo Sloan and Ruth Showalter, Jake Berry, Arturo Giuseppe Fallico, Musicmaster, Clemente Pad?n, Jorge Caraballo, George Myers, Luc Fierens, Ralph Johnson, Patrick T, Tom Hibbard, and Joseph A. Uphoff, Jr. Project Overview: The Photostatic Retrograde Archive serves as an electronic repository for a complete collection of PhotoStatic Magazine, PhonoStatic Cassettes, Retrofuturism, and Psrf, (as well as related titles). Issues are posted as PDF or Ogg Vorbis files, at more or less regular intervals, in reverse chronological order to form a chronological mirror image of the original series. When the first issue, dating from 1983, is finally posted in several year's time, then this electronic archive will be complete. Issue directory: http://psrf.detritus.net/issues.html Project URL: http://psrf.detritus.net/ -- # Photostatic Magazine Retrograde Archive : http://psrf.detritus.net/ # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # E-mail | psrf@detritus.net From david at locarecords.com Mon Feb 16 12:45:27 2004 From: david at locarecords.com (David) Date: Mon Feb 16 04:42:24 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Neuro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MAKEWORLDS (2) CALL FOR PARTICIPATION NAME NEURO -- networking europe Movements and technologies of the common DATE February 26-29, 2004 LOCATION Muffathalle, Munich (Germany) SYNOPSIS A new generation of media and network initiatives from all over Europe and different parts of the world present and work on their projects in a broad interactive framework that explores the different conceptual and practical idioms used to articulate and create new social, political and artistic practices. Originating within the networking culture of open communications and free exchange the event aims to connect contemporary debates on mobility, migration and social movements with new media instruments, information and communication technologies. WHAT'S NEW? The new is emerging in unknown and multiple ways. It is emerging from the exhaustion and crisis of conventional political concepts that are no longer adequate to the unstable, informatic and immaterial dimensions of the emerging division of labour. The new technologies of the common are not universal hierarchies of political right but small scale and intimate practices of constitution. The new involves those who see the limitations of individual social practices of self-realisation and desire to turn them into general and transferable social technologies of emancipation. BACKGROUND It is time for intellectual and political debates to merge with technology. Both to evaluate the current state of social movements and to build on those orientations that are pushing the limits of what are individually considered possible. NEURO sets out to create and map a new discursive terrain and practical horizon: the ideas of 'freedom of movement' and 'technologies of the common' draws into a synergetic perspective the range of irreducibly conflictual practices whereby society is reproduced. Without losing sight of the (translocal) constitution of the local as indispensable site of intervention, NEURO seeks to review and research practices of networking that are already redefining the political geography of Europe. In the ongoing diversification of the social, processes of integration can no longer be clearly separated from mechanisms of exclusion. The working out of these tensions at a political and economic level is producing new levels of complexity as well as new opportunities for provocative and experimental projects that challenge orthodoxy and convention. The focus on social reproduction is an acknowledgment that its various modes are proliferating across an ever-expanding terrain in a process that suggests that collective responses will themselves have to explore some of the idioms and tools of the network in each of the subjects under discussion, whether human rights and citizenship, Empire and Europe, free software and intellectual property regimes, the spectacle of civil society, or the institutional and bureaucratic mentalities present within post-governmental environments. Beyond the juridical parcelisation of people into discrete, sovereign and rights-bearing subjects, the present offers a unique chance to express and form solidarities that catch up in political terms with the sociality of our being. For these struggles, networks and intercommunicative agency are not goals but their very conditions of possibility. Thus the new sits in opposition to the current forms of exclusion because the appropriation of subjective freedoms within Europe and beyond it are part of the foundations on which these political edifices themselves rest. TASKS What could be new today in networking? After the thin promises of new markets and new media, what aspirations remain for evolving struggles for information, knowledge and communication? What is the role of civil society in the framework of global governing practices of political mediation today? What is the impact of immaterial and affective labour for practices of migration and the reconfiguration of the global economy of biopolitical production? What projects of self constitution emerge from practices of refusal and exodus? How has the movement reposed the question of the autonomy of the political in the midst of a crisis of representation? Is mapping the only way to express horizontal structures of cooperation and technologies of the common? None of the initiatives present at neuro will offer a one-size-fits-all solution to global wrongs. However when taken together it is imagined that they will exhibit the power of generating communicable ideas out of small, laboratory contexts that are embedded within different environments and in dialogue with one another. TOPICS NEURO is organized around seven major topics, that each constitute an area for debates on different levels and in different formats. Various input and output devices will be attached to these topics.' * SPECTACLE OF CIVIL SOCIETY Scaling the summits: esf, wsf, wsis - Multi-stakeholder ideology and global governance scenarios - Snares of inclusion, pitfalls of political mediation and the development discourse * TRANSITIONS OF LABOR Outsourcing and lean production - The becoming migrant of labor - Cognitive labor and industries of affect - Division and recomposition: the biopolitical network of immaterial labor * FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT Third generation wall and wireless lager - Management, mobility and post-human rights - Local and remote control * CRISIS OF REPRESENTATION AND POLITICS OF SPACE Mapping, mobile devices, games - Resisting virtual regimes - Protest in the non-protest * SOCIAL ONTOLOGIES OF OPEN SOURCE The collapse of techno- idealism - Hyper-alienation and property out of control - Ethics of open images and imagination * FORMATION AND INFORMATION Educational projects in networking environments - Knowledge production, general intellect and the crisis of learning - Strategies of self-valorization from do-it-yourself to everyone-is-an-expert * CONSTITUTIVE PRACTICES Ad-hoc-networking and virtual organizing - Escape, exodus and refusal - Hijacking speech: multilingualism beyond identity and unity SEE ALSO http://www.makeworlds.org http://d-a-s-h.org http://www.muffathalle.de http://www.kein.org http://www.generation-online.org http://www.incommunicado.info CONTACT neuro@kein.org HISTORY NEURO (networking europe) is the next version of the makeworlds festival, which for the first time took place in October, 2001. AUTHORS Arianna Bove, Erik Empson, Susanne Lang, Geert Lovink, Florian Schneider, Soenke Zehle From alias at aliasfrequencies.org Tue Feb 17 01:57:20 2004 From: alias at aliasfrequencies.org (shannon o'neill) Date: Mon Feb 16 06:58:07 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Sydney Appropriation doco and other news Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040217015713.03303a08@aliasfrequencies.org> Falling Hats: Appropriation in Sydney Experimental Electronic Music is a radio feature that went to air on FBi Radio Sydney on Sunday 2004-02-15. Now you can listen to it online, as 40kbps streaming mp3pro (please use an mp3pro compatible player for double the sound quality). http://anonradio.net/menu.htm here's the blurb: Falling Hats: Appropriation in Sydney Experimental Electronic Music. A look at musical appropriation, sampling, quotation and audio collage, from the perspectives of several Sydney underground artists. The first hour features some of the more experienced luminaries of the field, including Rik Rue; Garry Bradbury and Tom Ellard of Severed Heads; and John Blades of the Loop Orchestra. Learn all about cutups and tape loops, and why Deep Forest isn't cool. The second hour focuses on the new generation, including Adrian Bertram of Wake Up And Listen; Luke Collison aka Dsico; and Toecutter from System Corrupt; Find out about plunderphonics, bootlegs and breakcore. The program ends with a discussion of copyright, fair use p2p and the MP3 debate. Falling Hats features amazing music from all of these artists, as well as some of their peers and influences. Produced by Shannon O'Neill, February 2004. - - - - - - - - - - I've also just put online an interview *of* me by Brooke Olsen of the 2RRR show Jagged Frequencies that went to air late last year. http://aliasfrequencies.org/son It's a 15 minute interview that covers quite a lot of ground including my background, experimental radio, Wake Up And Listen, Alias Frequencies, and the Disorientation events. - - - - - - - - - - All material on the Alias Frequencies web site is now under the Creative Commons 'Sampling Plus' License, which encourages creative reuse, as well as p2p distribution. We are also in the process of making a lot of our material available for download, as high quality 192kbps mp3, starting with Wake Up And Listen's 'Mustard Keanu' CD. http://aliasfrequencies.org/product/af001.html cheers Shannon From alias at aliasfrequencies.org Wed Feb 18 01:39:28 2004 From: alias at aliasfrequencies.org (shannon o'neill) Date: Tue Feb 17 06:39:44 2004 Subject: [Rumori] electronic frontiers australia on the au/usa fta Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040218013842.01cb2458@aliasfrequencies.org> http://www.efa.org.au/Publish/PR040212.html From kembrew-mcleod at uiowa.edu Tue Feb 17 09:25:33 2004 From: kembrew-mcleod at uiowa.edu (kembrew mcleod) Date: Tue Feb 17 07:25:39 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question Message-ID: <1077031533.4032326d9bdb4@webmail3.its.uiowa.edu> i was trying to think of any proto-mashup/bastard pop kinds of recordings. can i pick your brain? the earliest i can think of is alan copeland's "mission: impossible theme/ norwegian wood" from 1968. on this, the tv-theme songwriter and arranger for basie and fitzgerald has female vocalists sing the lyrics of "norwegian wood" over the "mission: impossible" theme. it even won a grammy for best contemporary pop performance by a chorus. yikes. are there any other songs up this alley you can think of? best, k ******************* kembrew mcleod 1218 college st. iowa city, ia 52245 kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu 319-341-3583 "What is corporate fraud? Corporate fraud is what happens when cool, indie fraud loses its cred and becomes totally lame." - Jon Stewart From malady181 at juno.com Tue Feb 17 12:13:54 2004 From: malady181 at juno.com (celebrity santa) Date: Tue Feb 17 12:14:39 2004 Subject: [Rumori] mutual aid Message-ID: <20040217.121355.2460.1.malady181@juno.com> 'we are sending a clear message that . . . sharing . . . is illegal . . . it undermines the creative future . . . itself' ......................................................................... ......................................................................... ................................................... RIAA sues 531 more Internet users over music downloads WASHINGTON (AP) — The recording industry sued 531 more computer users Tuesday it said were illegally distributing songs over the Internet in what has become a routine reminder reminder that college students, teenagers and others can face expensive lawsuits for swapping music online. The Recording Industry Association of America filed the latest complaints against "John Doe" defendants in lawsuits in Atlanta; Philadelphia; Orlando; and Trenton, N.J. It said the defendants were customers of one of five Internet providers based in those cities. Philadelphia is the headquarters for Comcast Cable Communications Inc., the nation's largest cable company. Atlanta is headquarters for Earthlink Inc., another of the nation's biggest Internet providers. Music industry lawyers identified the defendants only by their numeric Internet protocol addresses and expected to work through the courts to learn their names and where they live. The RIAA's president, Cary Sherman, said illegal downloads continue hurting new, legitimate Internet services for selling music. "We are sending a clear message that downloading or 'sharing' music from a peer-to-peer network without authorization is illegal, it can have consequences and it undermines the creative future of music itself," Sherman said in a statement. Last month, the recording group filed lawsuits against 532 computers users who were customers of Internet providers based in Washington and New York. The latest actions represent the largest number of complaints filed at one time since the trade group launched its legal campaign last summer to cripple Internet music piracy. The recording group has said previously that after its lawyers discover the identity of each defendant, they will contact each person to negotiate a financial settlement before amending the lawsuit to formally name the defendant and, if necessary, transfer the case to the proper courthouse. Settlements in previous cases have averaged $3,000 each. From every.man at pressthebutton.com Tue Feb 17 14:38:47 2004 From: every.man at pressthebutton.com (Every Man) Date: Tue Feb 17 14:38:52 2004 Subject: [Rumori] mutual aid Message-ID: >The RIAA's president, Cary Sherman, said illegal downloads continue >hurting new, legitimate Internet services for selling music. "We are >sending a clear message that downloading or 'sharing' music from a >peer-to-peer network without authorization is illegal, it can have >consequences and it undermines the creative future of music itself," >Sherman said in a statement. Even if it's music that is in the pubilc domain, or my own non-copywritten music? From tangent at inspire.net.nz Wed Feb 18 13:15:10 2004 From: tangent at inspire.net.nz (Sam Stephens) Date: Tue Feb 17 16:11:47 2004 Subject: [Rumori] mutual aid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4033655E.20881.7CE8C2@localhost> On 17 Feb 2004 at 14:38, Every Man wrote: > >The RIAA's president, Cary Sherman, said illegal downloads continue > >hurting new, legitimate Internet services for selling music. "We are > >sending a clear message that downloading or 'sharing' music from a > >peer-to-peer network without authorization is illegal, it can have > >consequences and it undermines the creative future of music itself," > >Sherman said in a statement. > > Even if it's music that is in the pubilc domain, or my own non-copywritten music? All music sharing and free downloading is a crime, because it gives the message that forms of distributing music that don't involve giving RIAA member companies huge sums of money may be okay (the 'creative future of music' that needs protecting). From ddixon at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 17 18:24:24 2004 From: ddixon at wi.rr.com (David Dixon) Date: Tue Feb 17 16:25:18 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question References: <1077031533.4032326d9bdb4@webmail3.its.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: <001701c3f5b5$908c37e0$0bd9a718@wi.rr.com> I'm not sure when PDQ Bach started doing his thing, but he's been doing "bastard classical" at least since the 70's. His "Quodlibet" and "Unbegun Symphony" are particularly fine examples. D^2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "kembrew mcleod" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:25 AM Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question > i was trying to think of any proto-mashup/bastard pop kinds of recordings. can > i pick your brain? > > the earliest i can think of is alan copeland's "mission: impossible theme/ > norwegian wood" from 1968. on this, the tv-theme songwriter and arranger for > basie and fitzgerald has female vocalists sing the lyrics of "norwegian wood" > over the "mission: impossible" theme. it even won a grammy for best > contemporary pop performance by a chorus. yikes. > > are there any other songs up this alley you can think of? > > best, > > k > > ******************* > kembrew mcleod > 1218 college st. > iowa city, ia 52245 > kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu > 319-341-3583 > > "What is corporate fraud? Corporate fraud is what happens when cool, indie > fraud loses its cred and becomes totally lame." - Jon Stewart > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 16:57:18 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Tue Feb 17 16:57:53 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question Message-ID: Hmmm, I don't know if these quite count, but... Eddie Money's song "Take Me Home Tonight" has Ronnie Spector of the Ronettes singing her 60's hit "Be My Baby" in the background vocals. Lotsa fairly modern rap & rnb songs mix chorus vocals with instrumental renditions of other songs. 2 examples I can think of off the top of my head are Shaggy's "Angel" (combining Marilee Rush's "just call me angel of the morning" with Steve Miller Band's "the Joker"), and a couple years old song called "Ghetto Superstar" (in which the chorus is Islands in the Stream). Not to mention the huge amount of times the tune of "ring around the rosie" has appeared in top 40 songs over the last 20 years. >From: kembrew mcleod >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." >To: rumori@detritus.net >Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:25:33 -0600 > >i was trying to think of any proto-mashup/bastard pop kinds of recordings. >can >i pick your brain? > >the earliest i can think of is alan copeland's "mission: impossible theme/ >norwegian wood" from 1968. on this, the tv-theme songwriter and arranger >for >basie and fitzgerald has female vocalists sing the lyrics of "norwegian >wood" >over the "mission: impossible" theme. it even won a grammy for best >contemporary pop performance by a chorus. yikes. > >are there any other songs up this alley you can think of? > >best, > >k > >******************* >kembrew mcleod >1218 college st. >iowa city, ia 52245 >kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu >319-341-3583 > >"What is corporate fraud? Corporate fraud is what happens when cool, indie >fraud loses its cred and becomes totally lame." - Jon Stewart > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From rick at cuechamp.com Tue Feb 17 19:13:45 2004 From: rick at cuechamp.com (rick silva) Date: Tue Feb 17 18:13:53 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question References: Message-ID: <008301c3f5c4$d7f6d9a0$1500000a@VUK> the first mash up ever recorded: http://www.deepdiscoforce.com/dgf.htm :) rick <<< www.cuechamp.com >>> "the original is unfaithful to the translation" -jorge borges ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [Rumori] proto-mashup question > Hmmm, I don't know if these quite count, but... > > Eddie Money's song "Take Me Home Tonight" has Ronnie Spector of the Ronettes > singing her 60's hit "Be My Baby" in the background vocals. > > Lotsa fairly modern rap & rnb songs mix chorus vocals with instrumental > renditions of other songs. 2 examples I can think of off the top of my head > are Shaggy's "Angel" (combining Marilee Rush's "just call me angel of the > morning" with Steve Miller Band's "the Joker"), and a couple years old song > called "Ghetto Superstar" (in which the chorus is Islands in the Stream). > > Not to mention the huge amount of times the tune of "ring around the rosie" > has appeared in top 40 songs over the last 20 years. > > >From: kembrew mcleod > >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." > >To: rumori@detritus.net > >Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question > >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:25:33 -0600 > > > >i was trying to think of any proto-mashup/bastard pop kinds of recordings. > >can > >i pick your brain? > > > >the earliest i can think of is alan copeland's "mission: impossible theme/ > >norwegian wood" from 1968. on this, the tv-theme songwriter and arranger > >for > >basie and fitzgerald has female vocalists sing the lyrics of "norwegian > >wood" > >over the "mission: impossible" theme. it even won a grammy for best > >contemporary pop performance by a chorus. yikes. > > > >are there any other songs up this alley you can think of? > > > >best, > > > >k > > > >******************* > >kembrew mcleod > >1218 college st. > >iowa city, ia 52245 > >kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu > >319-341-3583 > > > >"What is corporate fraud? Corporate fraud is what happens when cool, indie > >fraud loses its cred and becomes totally lame." - Jon Stewart > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rumori mailing list > >Rumori@detritus.net > >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > From owen_squier at yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 20:36:35 2004 From: owen_squier at yahoo.com (Squier) Date: Tue Feb 17 20:37:11 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question In-Reply-To: <008301c3f5c4$d7f6d9a0$1500000a@VUK> Message-ID: <20040218043635.82159.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> while I'm not able to identify tune titles or years, Charles Ives was known for combining popular songs of his day (such as Yankee Doodle and The Star Spangled Banner) in his compositions. There is a story of one of his compositional strategies either involving or being inspired by two marching bands (playing different tunes) converging on each other. I wish I had more details but listening to many of his comps gives the sense of listening to several familiar songs at once... (os) --- rick silva wrote: > the first mash up ever recorded: > > http://www.deepdiscoforce.com/dgf.htm > > :) > rick > > > <<< www.cuechamp.com >>> > > "the original is unfaithful to the translation" > -jorge borges > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "matt davignon" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:57 PM > Subject: RE: [Rumori] proto-mashup question > > > > Hmmm, I don't know if these quite count, but... > > > > Eddie Money's song "Take Me Home Tonight" has > Ronnie Spector of the > Ronettes > > singing her 60's hit "Be My Baby" in the > background vocals. > > > > Lotsa fairly modern rap & rnb songs mix chorus > vocals with instrumental > > renditions of other songs. 2 examples I can think > of off the top of my > head > > are Shaggy's "Angel" (combining Marilee Rush's > "just call me angel of the > > morning" with Steve Miller Band's "the Joker"), > and a couple years old > song > > called "Ghetto Superstar" (in which the chorus is > Islands in the Stream). > > > > Not to mention the huge amount of times the tune > of "ring around the > rosie" > > has appeared in top 40 songs over the last 20 > years. > > > > >From: kembrew mcleod > > >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." > > > >To: rumori@detritus.net > > >Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question > > >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:25:33 -0600 > > > > > >i was trying to think of any proto-mashup/bastard > pop kinds of > recordings. > > >can > > >i pick your brain? > > > > > >the earliest i can think of is alan copeland's > "mission: impossible > theme/ > > >norwegian wood" from 1968. on this, the tv-theme > songwriter and arranger > > >for > > >basie and fitzgerald has female vocalists sing > the lyrics of "norwegian > > >wood" > > >over the "mission: impossible" theme. it even won > a grammy for best > > >contemporary pop performance by a chorus. yikes. > > > > > >are there any other songs up this alley you can > think of? > > > > > >best, > > > > > >k > > > > > >******************* > > >kembrew mcleod > > >1218 college st. > > >iowa city, ia 52245 > > >kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu > > >319-341-3583 > > > > > >"What is corporate fraud? 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Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From wobbly at detritus.net Tue Feb 17 21:40:05 2004 From: wobbly at detritus.net (Jon Leidecker) Date: Tue Feb 17 21:41:03 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question In-Reply-To: <20040218043635.82159.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <008301c3f5c4$d7f6d9a0$1500000a@VUK> Message-ID: >I wish I >had more details but listening to many of his comps >gives the sense of listening to several familiar songs >at once... > 'barn dance' is a concise example. http://detritus.net/illegalart/mp3s/09.03.html 'putnam's camp' and 'fourth of july' are two others that contain straight up tune juxtaposition. but there's tune sampling & variations in many many of his pieces. jl From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 22:05:35 2004 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Tue Feb 17 22:05:40 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040218060535.12077.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jon Leidecker wrote: > >I wish I > >had more details but listening to many of his comps > >gives the sense of listening to several familiar songs > >at once... > > > > 'barn dance' is a concise example. > > http://detritus.net/illegalart/mp3s/09.03.html > > 'putnam's camp' and 'fourth of july' are two others that contain > straight > up tune juxtaposition. but there's tune sampling & variations in > many many > of his pieces. i don't know much about ives but i have a 7" called "leonard bernstein discusses charles ives", which is basically 13-1/2 minutes of bernstein going ga-ga over ives, with excerpts from a few ives works. i'd be willing to "rip" it if anyone is interested (but not tonight; it's past my bedtime) ===== "you can learn a lot from a raver." - drbmd, 02/06/04 http://www.animalswithinanimals.com http://badtastesucks.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From wobbly at detritus.net Tue Feb 17 22:07:13 2004 From: wobbly at detritus.net (Jon Leidecker) Date: Tue Feb 17 22:08:13 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question In-Reply-To: <20040218060535.12077.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: >i don't know much about ives but i have a 7" called "leonard bernstein >discusses charles ives", which is basically 13-1/2 minutes of bernstein >going ga-ga over ives, with excerpts from a few ives works. i'd be >willing to "rip" it if anyone is interested (but not tonight; it's past >my bedtime) > cool to own the reissue! the track was re-released here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000062D1/qid=1077084421/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2 _2/104-6648409-7743110 jl From wobbly at detritus.net Tue Feb 17 22:11:43 2004 From: wobbly at detritus.net (Jon Leidecker) Date: Tue Feb 17 22:12:40 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question In-Reply-To: References: <20040218060535.12077.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>i don't know much about ives but i have a 7" called "leonard bernstein >>discusses charles ives", which is basically 13-1/2 minutes of bernstein >>going ga-ga over ives, with excerpts from a few ives works. i'd be >>willing to "rip" it if anyone is interested (but not tonight; it's past >>my bedtime) >> > >cool to own the reissue! uh. when I said 'reissue', I meant to say 'original'. Understandably. scott mortsensen's fantastic Ives site: http://www.musicweb.uk.net/Ives/03_Recordings_Main_Menu.htm jl From asfi at eol.ca Wed Feb 18 02:14:07 2004 From: asfi at eol.ca (Colin Hinz) Date: Tue Feb 17 23:13:20 2004 Subject: [Rumori] proto-mashup question In-Reply-To: <001701c3f5b5$908c37e0$0bd9a718@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, David Dixon wrote: > I'm not sure when PDQ Bach started doing his thing, but he's been doing > "bastard classical" at least since the 70's. His "Quodlibet" and "Unbegun > Symphony" are particularly fine examples. Oh, well, then there's the "Concerto Popolare (A Piano Concert to End all Piano Concertos)" wherein the piano performance (of one concerto by Grieg) gets mashed with the orchestra performance (of an entirely different concerto by Tchaikowsky). It also features Rachmaninoff's Second, Beethoven's Fourth, "Rhapsody in Blue," and the "Warsaw Concerto," along with persistent interjections of "Pop Goes the Weasel" and "Roll Out the Barrel." Phew! It was performed at Royal Festival Hall on 13 November 1956, part of the Hoffnung Music Festival Concert. I think the LP (titled "Hoffnung Music Festival Concert") must have been pretty popular as I periodically find used copies for sale. Alternatively, you could hold your nose and buy the CD reissue courtesy of those nice friendly chums at EMI: http://www.musicweb.uk.net/hoffnung/Hoffsales/EMI.htm One of these years I'll discover where I've stashed my LP copy and mp3 the sucker, but until then, happy hunting. Info on the Festival here (and following/preceding pages): http://www.musicweb.uk.net/hoffnung/biog7.htm - Colin From carrie at stayfreemagazine.org Fri Feb 20 00:27:00 2004 From: carrie at stayfreemagazine.org (Carrie McLaren) Date: Thu Feb 19 21:27:11 2004 Subject: [Rumori] "Grey Tuesday" Civil Disobedience Planned February 24th Against Copyright Cartel Message-ID: hey all, if you want to participate but don't have the Grey Album yet you can download it from: http://www.illegal-art.org/audio/grey.html carrie ::::::::: "Grey Tuesday" Civil Disobedience Planned February 24th Against Copyright Cartel http://www.downhillbattle.org/pressreleases/greytuesday_21904.html DOWNHILL BATTLE (February 18, 2004) -- A coalition of websites will join in an online protest to offer free downloads of a critically acclaimed album that is being censored by a lawsuit threat from EMI Records. The action is an act of civil disobedience against a copyright regime that routinely suppresses musical innovation. The Grey Album , which remixes Jay-Z's Black Album and the Beatles' White Album , has been hailed as a innovative hip-hop triumph, but EMI sent cease-and-desist letters to any record store that stocked it. This Tuesday ("Grey Tuesday") the coalition of sites will offer free downloads of the Grey Album, and turn their pages grey, to take a stand against a copyright regime that serves neither musicians nor the public interest. Any site can get information on how to join the action at greytuesday.org . "Grey Tuesday will be the first protest of its kind," said Downhill Battle co-founder Holmes Wilson, "The major record labels have turned copyright law into a weapon, but participants in this action will be ignoring EMI's threats and insisting on the public's right to hear innovative new music." "EMI isn't looking for compensation, they're trying to ban a work of art," said Downhill Battle's Rebecca Laurie. "The record industry has become a huge drag on creativity and it's only getting worse--it's time to take a stand." The Grey Album has been widely shared on filesharing networks such as Kazaa and Soulseek, and has garnered critical acclaim in Rolling Stone (which called it "the ultimate remix record" and "an ingenious hip-hop record that sounds oddly ahead of its time"), the New Yorker, the Boston Globe (which called it the "most creatively captivating" album of the year), and other major news outlets. "It's clear that this work devalues neither of the originals. There is no legitimate artistic or economic reason to ban this record??"this is just arbitrary exertion of control," said Nicholas Reville, Downhill Battle co-founder. "The framers of the constitution created copyright to promote innovation and creativity. A handful of corporations have radically perverted that purpose for their own narrow self interest, and now the public is fighting back." The reporters and news outlets that reviewed the Grey Album have obtained it illegally from filesharing networks. "If music reviewers have to break the law to hear new, innovative music, then something has gone wrong with the law," said Laurie. "Remixes and pastiche are a defining aesthetic of our era. How will artists continue to work if corporations can outlaw what they do?" said Reville. "Artists, writers, and musicians have always borrowed and built upon each other's work??" now they have to answer to corporate legal teams." College and noncommercial radio stations will also be participating in Tuesday's action by playing the Grey Album in its entirety (possibly along with the Jay-Z and Beatles sources). -- Carrie McLaren Editor, Stay Free! www.stayfreemagazine.org www.illegal-art.org 718.398.9324 From navmemo at yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 05:20:56 2004 From: navmemo at yahoo.com (Ivan Bachev) Date: Fri Feb 20 05:21:02 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Rage&Holy Message-ID: <20040220132056.82587.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> Rage&Holy I like taking captures from the work process and share the result, lately I rely on basic statement as that the "re" idea "could fully unfold nowadays - you have access to already existing music and you can use it as source-database to be recontextualized". In this work process I rely on old techniques of sound manipulation - taking a whole, butchering it, messing its layers, up/down sampling, granulation. The album comes as a two CD's pack - separated as two approaches - rage and holy. They are result of real time preprocessing already existing music with "Ei", kind of soundtoy I developed (as a stand alone win application and as PD patch to be platform independent and easy updateable ). Start playing with "Ei" - browsing folders for mp3 files, pass through the loaded file, dis or re ordering it, and thus createing something new out of it... I am not aware of the legal issue, and do not relate nor emphasize on that at all. Thus they are not plunderphony, sample abuse or collages, rather they are replicas and recontextualization. For sure there are much better examples of that culture you might listen - the people hardly involved in, like People like us, John Oswald, Carl Stone, V/VM, Hard Off, etc. but just it is my development, what I produced and decided to present and share. Often such works are perceived as sarcasms, but you will find out it is not necessary so. Holy - ogg files Rage - ogg files http://nml.cult.bg/~.php?subdir=%7Ebachev%2Fei%2FRage%26Holy&sortby=name http://nml.cult.bg/~bachev/ei/ Харесва ми да правя captures на процеса ми на работа, напоследък се осланям на твърдения като това, че "ре" идеята"може да се разгърне напълно сега когато имаме достъп до вече съществуваща музика - да бъде използвана като ресурс база която да бъде реконтекстуализирана" В този процес разчитам на стари техники за звукова манипулация - взимане на цяло, разпарчетявайки го, разбърквайки слоевете, up/down sampling, гранулиране. Албумът идва като пакет от 2 диска - разделени като два подхода - гняв и святост. Те са резултат от преработване с "Ei", (нещо като soundtoy който направих (като stand alone win апликация и като PD patch за да бъде независимо от платформата и лесно за update) в реално време на вече съществуваща музика. Започвам да си играя с "Ei" - браузвам за mp3 файлове, преминавам през тях, преподреждам ги... така създавам нещо ново от тях... Не се ангажирам с въпроси за copyright, легалност и т.н. и не наблягам на тях. Така тези неща които съм направил не са plunderphony, злоупотреба със семпли или колажи, по скоро са реплики и реконтекстуализация. Със сигурност има много по добри примери от тази култура които бихте могли да чуете - хората свързани здраво с това, като - People like us, John Oswald, Carl Stone, V/VM, Hard Off, и т.н. но просто това е което съм направил, моето развитие което искам да представя и споделя. Често такива подходи се приемат като сарказми, но ще чуете, че не е задължително. Holy - ogg файлове Rage - ogg файлове http://nml.cult.bg/~.php?subdir=%7Ebachev%2Fei%2FRage%26Holy&sortby=name http://nml.cult.bg/~bachev/ei/ ===== Ivan Bachev Boyadjik str. 2a Yambol 8600 Bulgaria tel: + 359 46 259 04 e-mail: navmemo@yahoo.com web: http://nml.cult.bg/~bachev __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From david at locarecords.com Fri Feb 20 13:36:34 2004 From: david at locarecords.com (David meme) Date: Fri Feb 20 05:36:44 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Libre In-Reply-To: <20040220132056.82587.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040220132056.82587.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don't know if anyone has seen it but an interesting article worth looking at on http://www.libresociety.org/manifestoA4.pdf also things are happening in Munich at http://neuro.kein.org --------THE OPEN SOURCE RECORD LABEL-------- L O C A R E C O R D S Stick to What You Don't Know? http://www.locarecords.com From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 13:28:55 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Fri Feb 20 13:29:31 2004 Subject: [Rumori] RIAA sued for racketeering Message-ID: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/02/20/riaa :-) _________________________________________________________________ Say “good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ From kembrew-mcleod at uiowa.edu Mon Feb 23 21:59:14 2004 From: kembrew-mcleod at uiowa.edu (kembrew mcleod) Date: Mon Feb 23 19:59:18 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Copyright Civil Disobedience: "Grey Tuesday" Message-ID: <1077595154.403acc129d7de@webmail3.its.uiowa.edu> February 24, 2004 | For Immediate Release U of Iowa Professor to Join Copyright Civil Disobedience Planned February 24th Contact: Kembrew McLeod ? kembrew@kembrew.com Phone ? 319-621-4620 Also: Downhill Battle (www.dowhillbattle.org) Holmes Wilson - hw@downhillbattle.org Phone: 508-963-7832 / Fax: 775-878-0379 Grey Tuesday (www.greytuesday.org) DOWNLOAD THE "GREY ALBUM" AT BOTTOM OF PAGE DOWNHILL BATTLE (February 24, 2004) ? In defiance of dozens of cease-and-desist letters already served, University of Iowa professor Kembrew McLeod will join a large coalition of websites in an online protest that will offer free downloads of a critically acclaimed album that is being censored by a lawsuit threat from EMI Records. The action is an act of civil disobedience against a copyright regime that routinely suppresses musical innovation. The Grey Album, which remixes Jay-Z's Black Album and the Beatles' White Album, has been hailed as an innovative hip-hop triumph, but EMI sent cease-and-desist letters to any Web site that offers it for free. This Tuesday, "Grey Tuesday," a coalition of hundreds of sites, including the non-UI-affiliated Kembrew.com -- http://kembrew.com -- will offer free downloads of the Grey Album, and turn their pages grey, to take a stand against a copyright regime that serves neither musicians nor the public interest. "Grey Tuesday will be the first protest of its kind," said Downhill Battle co-founder Holmes Wilson, "The major record labels have turned copyright law into a weapon, but participants in this action will be ignoring EMI's threats and insisting on the public's right to hear innovative new music." "EMI isn't looking for compensation, they're trying to ban a work of art," said Downhill Battle's Rebecca Laurie. "The record industry has become a huge drag on creativity and it's only getting worse -- it's time to take a stand." The Grey Album has been widely shared on filesharing networks such as Kazaa and Soulseek, and has garnered critical acclaim in Rolling Stone (which called it "the ultimate remix record" and "an ingenious hip-hop record that sounds oddly ahead of its time"), the New Yorker, the Boston Globe (which called it the "most creatively captivating" album of the year), and other major news outlets. "It's clear that this work devalues neither of the originals. There is no legitimate artistic or economic reason to ban this record, and this is just arbitrary exertion of control," said Nicholas Reville, Downhill Battle co- founder. "The framers of the constitution created copyright to promote innovation and creativity. A handful of corporations have radically perverted that purpose for their own narrow self interest, and now the public is fighting back." The reporters and news outlets that reviewed the Grey Album have obtained it illegally from filesharing networks. "If music reviewers have to break the law to hear new, innovative music, then something has gone wrong with the law," said Laurie. "Remixes and pastiche are a defining aesthetic of our era. How will artists continue to work if corporations can outlaw what they do?" said Reville. "Artists, writers, and musicians have always borrowed and built upon each other's work -- now they have to answer to corporate legal teams." College and noncommercial radio stations will also be participating in Tuesday's action by playing the Grey Album in its entirety (possibly along with the Jay-Z and Beatles sources). ### Well, things just got more personal. ?Downhill Battle has received a cease and desist letter from EMI?s lawyers and we?ve heard from many of you who have received something similar (probably identical). ?It 's a letter that's intended to scare us and it really illustrates why this protest is so important. ?We?ve spoken with lawyers about this situation and we want to share with you the response that we?ve sent to EMI?s lawyers. ?It explains how we plan to proceed and why. ?Feel free to copy entirely or use portions of this letter in your response, if you choose to make one. You also may be interested in reading more about your fair use rights at: http://www.eff.org/IP/ eff_fair_use_faq.html and more generally about the issue of censorship and cease and desist letters at: www.chillingeffects.org. Please let us know if your plans for tomorrow are changing (we completely understand if they are). ? -Nick, Holmes, and Rebecca Mr. Jensen and EMI: We have received your February 23 email concerning our plans to make the Grey Album available on our website. Despite your letter, Downhill Battle will be posting the Grey Album on our website tomorrow. ?Your efforts to suppress this music stifle creativity and harm the public interest; we will not be intimidated into backing down. Downhill Battle has a fair-use right to post this music under current copyright law and the public has a fair-use right to hear it. ?Opposing EMI?s censorship campaign is precisely the purpose of Tuesday?s protest and we won?t waiver from that goal. The current legal environment allows the five major record labels to dictate to musicians what kind of music they may and may not create and allows them to prevent the public from hearing music that does not fall within their rules. ?For people to make an informed decision about whether the major record labels and existing copyright law serve the interests of musicians and the public, they need to be able to hear the music that is being suppressed. ?The Grey Tuesday protest is about ensuring that this music is widely available so that the public can make informed decisions. ?Copyright was created by Congress to ?promote the progress of science and the useful arts.? ?Your actions violate that purpose. ?Any lawsuit against us will bring more attention to both the protest and the need for serious copyright reform, and we expect to win any case on fair-use grounds. Our posting of the Grey Album on Downhill Battle is a political act with no commercial interest and fits well within fair use rights. Lawyers have advised us that we can ignore your demands number 2, 3, and 4 that are listed at the bottom of your letter. ?EMI has no legal right to make these demands and we will not comply with them. ?Furthermore, if EMI attempts to disrupt our protest by sending takedown letters to participating websites, ISPs of participating websites, or any upstream ISPs, we will file a counter-suit against you. We consider any attempts to stifle this protest to be an abuse under section 512F of the DMCA. Sincerely, Nicholas Reville Holmes Wilson Co-Founders Downhill Battle (downhillbattle.org) ******************* kembrew mcleod 1218 college st. iowa city, ia 52245 kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu 319-341-3583 "What is corporate fraud? Corporate fraud is what happens when cool, indie fraud loses its cred and becomes totally lame." - Jon Stewart From wobbly at detritus.net Tue Feb 24 01:23:06 2004 From: wobbly at detritus.net (Jon Leidecker) Date: Tue Feb 24 01:24:06 2004 Subject: [Rumori] RIAA coverage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: the c|net coverage is ruling Verizon's lost first round: April 24, 2003 http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-998268.html?tag=st_rn Won the second round last december: RIAA lawsuit strategy illegal, dec 19, 2003 http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5129687.html?tag=bplst leading to last tuesday: the RIAA sues an additional 531 anonymous users feb 17, 2004 http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5160262.html?tag=bplst and then the very next day, RIAA sued under gang laws feb 18, 2004 http://news.com.com/2100-1027-5161209.html doesn't look like the most solid of cases, offhand, but I think few sane people would doubt her basic point. jl From boster at pobox.com Thu Feb 26 11:28:47 2004 From: boster at pobox.com (Bob Boster) Date: Thu Feb 26 11:30:26 2004 Subject: [Rumori] tonight: detritus.net night in the LSG New Music Series, 02/26/04, 8pm SF, CA Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040226112802.02c7c318@209.115.3.202> ***************************** mundane media & (not)quiet presents detritus.net night in the LSG New Music Series @ LUGGAGE STORE GALLERY 1007 Market St. @ 6th St San Francisco, California USA ***************************** Tim Perkis & John Bischoff (solos & duo) Bob Boster & Lance Grabmiller (solos & duo) Thursday, Feb 26 2003 8:00 PM $6-10 sliding scale, no one turned away... Live electronic music based on real-time processes and the dynamic between composition and improvisation. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ TIM PERKIS has been working in the medium of live electronic and computer sound for many years, performing, exhibiting installation works and recording in North America,Europe and Japan. His work has largely been concerned with exploring the emergence of life-like properties in complex systems of interaction. In addition, he is a well known performer in the world of improvised music, having performed on his electronic improvisation instruments with over 100 artists and groups, including Chris Brown, John Butcher, Eugene Chadbourne, Fred Frith, Gianni Gebbia, Luc Houtkamp, Yoshi Ichiraku, Roscoe Mitchell, Gino Robair, ROVA saxophone quartet, Elliott Sharp, Leo Wadada Smith and John Zorn. Ongoing groups he has founded or played in include the League of Automatic Music Composers and the Hub -- pioneering live computer network bands -- and Rotodoti, the Natto Quartet and Fuzzybunny. Recordings of his work are available on several labels: Artifact, Limited Sedition, 482, Lucky Garage, Praemedia and Tzadik (USA); Sonore and Meniscus (France); Curva Minore and Snowdonia (Italy); XOR (Netherlands). CONCERNING THE PIECE TONIGHT: My contribution to the evening's collaboration is a live performance of BULGAVE, a special-purpose software musical instrument/composition, based on synthesized sounds, insect recordings from japan and a recording of trumpet player Tom Dill using some of his more astounding extended techniques. My work in the last few years has moved towards creating more tranquil environments. I have no doubt the disturbing state of the world and the full flowering of US aggression has its place in this turning away from brash, abrasive, and irreverent musical activity -- I think most of the world, myself included, has had quite enough of brash, irreverent Americans at the moment. Tranquility is in short supply, and it's quite natural I think for art to evolve towards serving as antidote to the prevailing anxiety. ----------------------- JOHN BISCHOFF (b. 1949) is an early pioneer of live computer music. He is known for his solo constructions in real-time synthesis as well as his pioneering work in the development of Computer Network Music. He has been active in the experimental music scene in the San Francisco Bay Area for over 25 year as a composer, performer, teacher, and grassroots activist. His performances around the US include NEW MUSIC AMERICA festivals in 1981 and 1989, Roulette Intermedium (NYC), and the Beyond Music Festival (Venice, CA). He has performed in Europe at the Festival d'Automne in Paris, Akademie der K?nst in Berlin, Fylkingen in Stockholm, and most recently T-U-B-E in Munich. He is a founding member of the League of Automatic Music Composers, considered the world's first Computer Network Band. He was also a member of the network band The Hub with whom he toured and recorded from 1985 to 1996. In 1999 he received a $25,000 award from the Foundation for Contemporary Performance Arts in New York in recognition of his music. Recordings of his work are available on various labels including Lovely Music, Frog Peak, and Artifact Recordings, and he has a new release entitled "Aperture" out on 23Five Inc. He is a Lecturer in Computer Music and on staff as Studios Coordinator at the Center for Contemporary Music at Mills College. I will be adding my own electronic voice to Tim's BULGAVE using a software instrument I have developed called OVERRIDE. Based on multi-layered samples of acoustic and electronic sources, OVERRIDE moves between states of gradual evolution and rapid excursion. Radical filtering driven by the performer helps locate free areas to play within BULGAVE's sonic ecology. ---------------------------- BOB BOSTER is primarily known as a creator of live electronic music, both in his own name and under that of his pseudonym Mr. Meridies. Bob has been active in a variety of underground music scenes in Chapel Hill, Detroit, the SF Bay Area, and Brighton (UK) and has released material on Friction Media, Illegal Art/Seeland, and other labels. Current active projects include RAJAR, Armageddon String Ensemble, and a collaboration with vocalist Aurora Rising. For this performance Bob will be exploring a new musical "instrument" in pursuit of a more flexible and immediate tool for appropriative collage in real time. This instrument is based on specialized DJ CD equipment being radically mis-used... --------------------------------------- LANCE GRABMILLER - A relatively recent Bay Area transplant, Lance moved here from Kansas City where he swerved from youth training on multiple instruments and composition to active participation in various noise, dark-ambient, and industrial projects as a performer and producer. In this context Lance has experience in a wide variety of instruments and non-instruments. Collaborations from this era have led to ongoing associations with Shannon Fields and Martin Nieznanski. An aesthetic resonance with the traditions of musique concrete led Lance to shift focus on computer-based instruments, culminating in his first CD, "Anthropology" which was assembled by John Bergin and released in 2002. Since his arrival in the Bay Area, Lance has further expanded his musical activity to include participation in a wide spectrum of music including extensive work in the local improvisational community, continued explorations in the more extreme edges of the electronica genre, and most recently, functioning as a curator and media mogul with the introduction of the label Praemedia, whose initial release, Praeface summarizes a musical vision with a balanced understanding of nearly all the major cutting edge musics currently extent. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Luggage Store Gallery is a non-profit corporation funded by the City of San Francisco, grants, and your contributions. We ask that you contribute $6-10. All Ages welcome, no one refused for lack of funds. Notes on attendance: * normally indoor bike parking available in gallery for people able to get bikes up the stairs * feel free to bring your (quiet) dinner and beverages * contact Bob Boster for pre-show docent session For Gallery info tel: 415.255.5971 email: luggagestore509@hotmail.com For detritus.net nights booking or info email Bob Boster: boster@pobox.com for more info visit: http://www.outsound.org/ http://www.luggagestoregallery.org/ http://www.bayimproviser.com/luggagestore http://www.detritus.net/events/luggage_store/ From dsolomon at nycap.rr.com Fri Feb 27 12:04:48 2004 From: dsolomon at nycap.rr.com (David Solomonoff) Date: Fri Feb 27 09:10:40 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Dutch Gov't Wants to Shutdown Pirate Radio Before It Can be Legalized Message-ID: <20040227170448.GB965@aloha.downstate.edu> On May 23, The Dutch government auctioned off radio frequencies to the highest bidders as part of their new Zerobase Radio Frequency Policy. As a result only the biggest, most commercially and mainstream oriented stations are able to exploit Dutch radio frequencies for the eight year term of the licenses. The auction was preceded by "Project Etherflits" in March -- a crackdown on pirate radio stations which are technically illegal but were previously tolerated. Studio equipment was confiscated and large fines imposed on the operators. Most stations have now been forced off the air. The ZeroBase Policy acknowledges only two kinds of radio: public and commercial. Any radio formats that don't fit within either of these categories have in effect become criminal organizations and can never be granted a legal broadcasting permit. Now the mayor of Amsterdam has granted permission to use police and riot-control forces to get rid of the country's last remaining Free Radio stations. Radio 100, http://www.radio100.nl/_eng/, Radio Patapoe, http://freeteam.nl/patapoe/ and Radio de Vrije Keyser, http://www.vrijekeyser.nl/ are all based in Amsterdam. On Monday February 9th the Telecom authorities tried to raid Radio Patapoe. Their attempt failed because they were unable to locate the transmitting equipment but they promised to return. The justification for the crackdown has been the prevention of interference with licensed broadcasters. Ironically the Dutch government was so anxious for space to be found for additional commercial stations - meaning extra revenue - that interference between licensed radio stations has become a serious problem in many areas of the country. Due to poor planning on the part of the government access to existing transmitters for powerful commercial stations has been allocated very poorly. And there is a shortage of suitable sites in the Netherlands where broadcast transmitters can be installed without falling foul of planning and environmental regulations. But since radio pirates transmit at unused frequencies and without interference (owing to their limited range) they do not interfere with commercial broadcasters -except to compete for listeners as Telecom officials admit in the case of Radio Patapoe. Until 1964 there were no legal commercial radio or television stations in the Netherlands and the government programming was extremely limited. Free Radio culture in the Netherlands has played an important role in filling that gap. It remains innovative, popular and highly valued as an important cultural and political resource. As result of a huge outcry Dutch Minister of Economic Affairs Laurens-Jan Brinkhorst has been ordered to investigate easily accessible ways to give permits to local free frequencies. This widely supported resolution specifically aims to make room for existing free radios and radio pirates. Yet the phenomenon itself, with its importance to a healthy democracy, is about to disappear. It will be hard to get back once it's gone. Radio Patapoe is requesting letters in support of their continued existence which can be used to make the case for legalization of pirate radio. Letters can be sent to patapoe@freeteam.nl -- David Solomonoff dsolomon@nycap.rr.com From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Sat Feb 28 18:28:09 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Sat Feb 28 15:27:33 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Toywar, etc... Message-ID: sorry 'bout the late notice: Nerd Nation ?? TECHTV 67 Feb 28 7:00pm 60 Mins. "Information War: The Hacktivists ", Episode #6. The use of cyberspace by anarchists to create a virtual revolution. Original Airdate: February 23, 2004. From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 16:44:18 2004 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Sat Feb 28 16:44:22 2004 Subject: [Rumori] court rules DeCSS no longer a trade secret Message-ID: <20040229004418.35647.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> http://news.com.com/2100-1026-5166887.html Court: DeCSS ban violated free speech Last modified: February 27, 2004, 4:35 PM PST By Evan Hansen Staff Writer, CNET News.com A California appeals court on Friday reversed a 4-year-old order barring the publication of a DVD-cracking tool on the Internet, finding the injunction violated the defendant's free speech rights. The case was closely watched as a test of how much protection companies can expect in California for trade secrets that become widely distributed online. The plaintiff, the DVD Copy Control Association, had argued that Andrew Bunner violated its intellectual property rights by posting on the Internet code known as DeCSS that can be used to bypass Hollywood's encryption scheme for DVDs. Bunner's attorneys had countered that the code was no longer a secret by the time he posted it on his Web site. On Friday, California's Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed, reversing a trial judge's order first issued in 1999. "The preliminary injunction...burdens more speech than necessary to protect DVD CCA's property interest and was an unlawful prior restraint upon Bunner's right to free speech," the three-judge panel wrote in its decision. The decision ends the last strand of Hollywood's legal attack on DeCSS in the United States, an effort that began when Norwegian programmer Jon Johansen posted DeCSS on the Internet. A criminal case against Johansen in his home country was thrown out late last year. The ruling does not make it legal in California to post DeCSS online--an action that has been found illegal by a federal appeals court. But the case does mark a rare victory for free speech advocates in the United States facing off with Hollywood over encryption technology that hampers DVD copying and prevents discs from playing on unauthorized machines. The motion picture industry won a key decision last week against DVD-copying software maker 321 Studios, with a federal judge in San Jose, Calif., ordering the company to pull its products from stores. That decision came two years after a federal appeals court in New York found that DeCSS violated U.S. copyright law and upheld a lower court order prohibiting publisher 2600 from linking to the code from its Web site. Those cases applied a federal law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which makes it illegal to circumvent copy-protection schemes or traffic in circumvention tools. By contrast, the Bunner case dealt with California state trade secrets law, addressing technical arguments over what practices constitute trade-secret violations and what steps companies must take to preserve their claims to secrecy after proprietary information is made public. Bunner attorney Allon Levy of Hopkins & Carley in San Jose, Calif., said the decision establishes important protections for software programmers who use legal methods to learn about proprietary products. According to Levy, programmers had gleaned information used to create DeCSS using widely accepted software engineering techniques known as reverse engineering. Had the DVD CCA prevailed in the case, he said, programmers would have faced new uncertainties over trade-secret claims asserted against legitimately created products. "The court found that reverse engineering is presumptively legal, something the plaintiff had fought tooth and nail against," he said. The DVD CCA has long argued that posting DeCSS online is illegal under federal and California state law. But, in a surprise move earlier this year, the group asked the court to dismiss the case. "The DVD CCA is disappointed by and disagrees with today's decision by the California Court of Appeals," the group said in a statement. "We are reviewing the ruling in its entirety to determine our next steps in this case." ===== "you can learn a lot from a raver." - drbmd, 02/06/04 http://www.animalswithinanimals.com http://badtastesucks.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From micah at benthic.cc Sun Feb 29 03:00:10 2004 From: micah at benthic.cc (micah stupak) Date: Sun Feb 29 00:03:43 2004 Subject: [Rumori] i saw this and i thought of you... Message-ID: <168052099.20040229030010@benthic.cc> http://www.burncopy.com/424/main.html "Blazin' Blip Blop and Blar & Blee is a non-stop hip-hop and R&B mix, featuring your favorite rap and R&B vocalists over your favorite rap and R&B ringtones. "The 60-minute mix (re)unites the voices of renowned rap and R&B performers with the faceless musicians who create the ringtones that are broadcasted over cellphones worldwide. "This pairing booms out your speakers on the rise of the mp3 trade, the demise of the music industry and the rise of the ringtone trade, while predating the demise of the ringtone industry by at least a year." available as mp3 free download. wondrous. --- micah stupak micah@benthic.cc www.benthic.cc benthic recordings - soundings from unexplored places From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Sun Feb 29 13:15:24 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Sun Feb 29 10:14:41 2004 Subject: [Rumori] replay: Toywar/Info War: The Hacktivists Message-ID: <3E5B9FF8-6AE3-11D8-A956-00039368C928@digitalrealm.net> another chance: Nerd Nation ?? TECHTV Feb 29 6:00pm 60 Mins. "Information War: The Hacktivists ", Episode #6. The use of cyberspace by anarchists to create a virtual revolution. Original Airdate: February 23, 2004. From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Sun Feb 29 13:29:44 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Sun Feb 29 10:29:01 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Broadcast "Decency" - CSPAN Message-ID: <3F10A69E-6AE5-11D8-A956-00039368C928@digitalrealm.net> CSPAN 1 3:46 pm Eastern Time House Committee Broadcast Decency Energy & Commerce, Telecommunications and the Internet Washington, District of Columbia (United States) ID: 180722 -02/26/2004 - 3 hours, 15 minutes Upton, Frederick S. , U.S. Representative, R-MI Wallau, Alex , President, ABC Television Berman, Gail , President, FOX Entertainment Group Wurtzel, Alan , President, NBC, Research and Media Development Paxson, Lowell , Chairman and CEO, Paxson Communications Hogan, John , Chairman and CEO, Clear Channel Communications, Radio Pappas, Harry , Chairman and CEO, Pappas Telecasting Witnesses testified about proposed legislation to strengthen regulations on indecency broadcast on television and radio. http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/fullschedule.csp