From david at personify.tv Thu Jul 1 03:04:28 2004 From: david at personify.tv (David Goldschmidt) Date: Thu Jul 1 02:04:19 2004 Subject: [Rumori] San Francisco Mediatrips Competition - Summer 2004 Message-ID: <017601c45f4a$6cf01af0$2253a943@userzwr59olfli> Hi- I am hosting a quick media arts competition and all the prize money is to be donated (on behalf of the Winner) to either Creative Commons or the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Please forward this Call for Submissions to anyone you think may be interested. Competition info can be found at www.mediatrips.com Thanks, david goldschmidt san francisco, ca www.mediatrips.com +++sampling popculture is not a crime From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Thu Jul 1 09:35:32 2004 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Thu Jul 1 08:35:41 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootleg copy Message-ID: <20040701153532.62815.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5342052/ NEW YORK - The war between Michael Moore and his critics has escalated as a Web site targeting the “Fahrenheit 9/11” director posted a link to an illegal “Fahrenheit” file download. In the process, it also attacked the filmmaker’s stance on copyright law. A June 27 posting on the site MooreWatch.com invites visitors to download the film. It quotes Moore, though it doesn’t cite a source, as encouraging such downloading by saying: “I don’t agree with the copyright laws, and I don’t have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people. As long as they’re not doing it to make a profit, you know, as long as they’re not trying to make a profit off my labor. I would oppose that.” Tom Ortenberg, president of Lions Gate Films Releasing, which is distributing the film with IFC Films and Harvey and Bob Weinstein’s Fellowship Adventure Group, said Wednesday that his company is exploring legal action. “I think it’s deplorable what enemies of ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ are doing,” he said. “We are currently looking into our legal options. We are not going to tolerate anybody trying to infringe on (this film’s release).” Since May, there have been reports of downloadable versions of Moore’s movie on such file-sharing networks as Limewire and eDonkey, concurrent with “Fahrenheit’s” premiere at the Cannes Film Festival. But according to BigChampagne, an online media measurement firm, “Fahrenheit” took the file-sharing networks by storm Sunday evening. “The first copies of ‘Fahrenheit’ — quite good-quality in the estimation of people who track these things — began to leak on Sunday night,” BigChampagne founder and CEO Eric Garland said. “It’s noteworthy that it took so long to show up in a big way in the file-sharing network, which is probably attributable to the fact that the film was on relatively few screens. The copy in circulation is a CAM version (a camcorder copy captured from an actual theater projection of the film).” Not easy to access copy The file posted at MooreWatch.com is in BitTorrent, a peer-to-peer file-sharing client. For anyone to watch the movie, a series of complex steps is required to access it. One person who posted on the site complained about the amount of time spent trying to download the file. “After downloading all night, I am at 11%,” the Web poster said. “Should it take over a week to download; or is this part of the DDoS (distributed denial of service) attack?” .... ===== "Good stuff, but exactly the kind of thing I like but can not sell." http://www.animalswithinanimals.com http://badtastesucks.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Thu Jul 1 10:30:02 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Thu Jul 1 09:30:39 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootlegcopy Message-ID: Am I reading that right? They're trying to discredit him by distributing his movie free-of charge? I tried to go to moorewatch.com to see what their logic was for this, but the site's down. >From: stAllio! the original wanksta >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." >To: rumori@detritus.net >Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting >bootlegcopy >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:35:32 -0700 (PDT) > >http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5342052/ > >NEW YORK - The war between Michael Moore and his critics has escalated >as a Web site targeting the “Fahrenheit 9/11” director posted a link to >an illegal “Fahrenheit” file download. In the process, it also attacked >the filmmaker’s stance on copyright law. _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From rick at cuechamp.com Thu Jul 1 12:16:15 2004 From: rick at cuechamp.com (rick silva) Date: Thu Jul 1 10:16:22 2004 Subject: [Rumori] bboy no comply Message-ID: <009001c45f8f$1f33d870$6700000a@VUK> in the next hour here 'bboy no comply' my new radio show on burn.fm will premiere. live broadcast times are: + 11AM - LA + 2PM - NYC + 8PM BARCELONA the show will be archived in high res at burn.fm. :: http://www.burn.fm :: http://www.cuechamp.com From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Thu Jul 1 11:56:24 2004 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Thu Jul 1 10:56:28 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootlegcopy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040701175624.88566.qmail@web11204.mail.yahoo.com> --- matt davignon wrote: > Am I reading that right? They're trying to discredit him by > distributing his > movie free-of charge? I tried to go to moorewatch.com to see what > their > logic was for this, but the site's down. if you're looking for logic, i'm not sure moorewatch.com is the place to go... i looked through the first five pages (when i could get through) to sift over to the torrent link & have been impressed by how pathetic most of the posts have been... the only ones with anything resembling a convincing argument are all reprints of major media stories, many of the rest sound at least as conspiratorial as moore does, & there's the occasional "here's a story about good stuff in iraq; if moore had his way blah blah blah" anyway: http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2031/Fahrenheit.911.CAM-POT(1).torrent Moore has stated he supports downloading of his work to spread the message. His fans spent weeks telling us the same thing when we sponsored the “Release The Movie” project (which is dead after the crash, and may or may not come back depending on the author’s wishes). Let’s see if Moore really wants this to be about the work and NOT the money. Steal this movie. Promote this torrent link everywhere. Let’s get as many people to see this for themselves, and for free, as we can. Mikey, if you want to sue me, I’m not hard to find. Thanks to reader Trond for pointing out the link. Update by Lee: Lest anyone think that Moore disagrees with people downloading his work product, consider this exchange during a press conference. Moore was asked by a reporter, “When people download your movies without paying for them, do you think it’s a good thing because your message gets out?” Moore’s reply: I don’t agree with the copyright laws and I don’t have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people. As long as they’re not doing it to make a profit, you know, as long as they’re not trying to make a profit off my labor. I would oppose that." He then goes on about how he does very welll financially from his books and films, so downloading his movie is really no big deal. If you would like to see the clip of Moore saying this, you can download the Torrent file and check it out yourself. So, Michael, if you decide to sue us for posting the Torrent for your film, know that we’ll be playing this clip as our defense. Come on, big boy, sue us. http://trackerwww.prq.to/download.php/3219853/Michael%20Moore%20About%20Filesharing.avi.torrent ===== "Good stuff, but exactly the kind of thing I like but can not sell." http://www.animalswithinanimals.com http://badtastesucks.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From pl1x at earthlink.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:43 2004 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Thu Jul 1 10:57:53 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootlegcopy Message-ID: <26639588.1088704668285.JavaMail.root@scooter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> moorewatch.com is a site which attempts to discredit or disproove statements made by Moore, it has nothing to do with Moore himself. Moore was quoted early on that he wanted kids under the 'R' rating to sneak in and see the movie. So the logics are similar but one doesn't legitimise the other. by now you can just hear the phone call from the distributors to Moore that he's gotta 'revise' his copyright opinion. if that quote is faithful. Oh well, there goes a good chance to create "f9/11 : fuller disclosure edit" which would expand with additional footage of the things MM clips close or things left out which people like Hitchens has pointed out (Richard Clark's "I take responsability" for instance) and slipping f9/11:fde back into the BT feed... PeterALopez -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon Sent: Jul 1, 2004 12:30 PM To: rumori@detritus.net Subject: RE: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootlegcopy Am I reading that right? They're trying to discredit him by distributing his movie free-of charge? I tried to go to moorewatch.com to see what their logic was for this, but the site's down. >From: stAllio! the original wanksta >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." >To: rumori@detritus.net >Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting >bootlegcopy >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:35:32 -0700 (PDT) > >http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5342052/ > >NEW YORK - The war between Michael Moore and his critics has escalated >as a Web site targeting the ?Fahrenheit 9/11? director posted a link to >an illegal ?Fahrenheit? file download. In the process, it also attacked >the filmmaker?s stance on copyright law. From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Thu Jul 1 12:21:00 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Thu Jul 1 11:21:35 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by postingbootlegcopy Message-ID: Haha, I'd like to see this in the presidential election. Bush: "Well, if Kerry thinks he's so great, let's see HIM run the country for a while. I'll be voting for him, and if he wants to sue me for it, he knows where to find me." (not an actual bush quote) >From: stAllio! the original wanksta >anyway: > >http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2031/Fahrenheit.911.CAM-POT(1).torrent > >Moore has stated he supports downloading of his work to spread the >message. His fans spent weeks telling us the same thing when we >sponsored the “Release The Movie” project (which is dead after the >crash, and may or may not come back depending on the author’s wishes). > >Let’s see if Moore really wants this to be about the work and NOT the >money. > >Steal this movie. Promote this torrent link everywhere. Let’s get as >many people to see this for themselves, and for free, as we can. >Mikey, if you want to sue me, I’m not hard to find. > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Thu Jul 1 15:25:55 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Thu Jul 1 11:25:03 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootlegcopy In-Reply-To: <26639588.1088704668285.JavaMail.root@scooter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <172F7741-CB8C-11D8-B955-00039368C928@digitalrealm.net> disgusting: http://www.shopmetrospy.com/cgi-bin/sc-v3/ catprod.pl?client=shopmetrospy&catid=51 http://www.shopmetrospy.com/graphics/Product_143_PrSpare2.jpg personally, I think these folks would be more useful as fertilizer. From pan at sensoryresearch.com Thu Jul 1 15:52:08 2004 From: pan at sensoryresearch.com (Pan) Date: Thu Jul 1 11:52:45 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootlegcopy In-Reply-To: <172F7741-CB8C-11D8-B955-00039368C928@digitalrealm.net> References: <172F7741-CB8C-11D8-B955-00039368C928@digitalrealm.net> Message-ID: I notice the "Shut up and stay out of the way" at the bottom. Reminds me of George Carlin talking about such Marine bullshit "Lead, Follow or get out of the way!!" --- "I obstruct!" On Jul 1, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Ed Special wrote: > > > disgusting: > http://www.shopmetrospy.com/cgi-bin/sc-v3/catprod.pl? > client=shopmetrospy&catid=51 > > http://www.shopmetrospy.com/graphics/Product_143_PrSpare2.jpg > > personally, I think these folks would be more useful as fertilizer. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Thu Jul 1 15:25:50 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Thu Jul 1 14:26:24 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by postingbootlegcopy Message-ID: Did anyone notice that the gentleman on the button is kind of undead? I can't bring myself to believe that Bush or Cheney would approve of building an army of reanimated corpses. Kinda bad for PR, I'd think. >From: Ed Special > >disgusting: >http://www.shopmetrospy.com/cgi-bin/sc-v3/ >catprod.pl?client=shopmetrospy&catid=51 > >http://www.shopmetrospy.com/graphics/Product_143_PrSpare2.jpg > >personally, I think these folks would be more useful as fertilizer. _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up – now 2 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From tangent at inspire.net.nz Fri Jul 2 10:39:10 2004 From: tangent at inspire.net.nz (Sam Stephens) Date: Thu Jul 1 14:35:32 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootlegcopy In-Reply-To: <20040701175624.88566.qmail@web11204.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <40E52D3E.1622.112B1B@localhost> > Moore has stated he supports downloading of his work to spread the > message. His fans spent weeks telling us the same thing when we > sponsored the ?Release The Movie? project (which is dead after the > crash, and may or may not come back depending on the author?s wishes). > > Let?s see if Moore really wants this to be about the work and NOT the > money. > > Steal this movie. Promote this torrent link everywhere. Let?s get as > many people to see this for themselves, and for free, as we can. > Mikey, if you want to sue me, I?m not hard to find. > Funny, I was thinking along these lines when I saw the article about Disney not playing ball.... that now the studio broke the bargain they made with him about distribution, that morally (though probably not legally) he shouldn't be bound by his side of the bargain on distribution. Until I saw this email, I was planning to email Michael to suggest he sneakily leaks the film onto P2P networks, to ensure it gets seen. No need now I guess ;-) I'd guess he'll condone this in private, but mabye not in public because otherwise he'd be fucking over Mirimax, who did afterall get the film made. Sam * postmoderncore website (w/ mp3s & art) http://www.postmoderncore.com spoken word and music compilation from Wellington & New Zealand artists http://www.saladbones.co.nz * From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Thu Jul 1 19:40:50 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Thu Jul 1 15:39:57 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by postingbootlegcopy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 05:25 PM, matt davignon wrote: > Did anyone notice that the gentleman on the button is kind of undead? > I can't bring myself to believe that Bush or Cheney would approve of > building an army of reanimated corpses. Kinda bad for PR, I'd think. Aren't Bush and, especially Cheney reanimated corpses? > > >> From: Ed Special >> >> disgusting: >> http://www.shopmetrospy.com/cgi-bin/sc-v3/ >> catprod.pl?client=shopmetrospy&catid=51 >> >> http://www.shopmetrospy.com/graphics/Product_143_PrSpare2.jpg >> >> personally, I think these folks would be more useful as fertilizer. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up ? now 2 months > FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From tangent at inspire.net.nz Fri Jul 2 11:45:56 2004 From: tangent at inspire.net.nz (Sam Stephens) Date: Thu Jul 1 15:42:02 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootlegcopy In-Reply-To: <172F7741-CB8C-11D8-B955-00039368C928@digitalrealm.net> References: <26639588.1088704668285.JavaMail.root@scooter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40E53CE4.3767.30211D@localhost> On 1 Jul 2004 at 14:25, Ed Special wrote: > > > disgusting: > http://www.shopmetrospy.com/cgi-bin/sc-v3/ > catprod.pl?client=shopmetrospy&catid=51 > > http://www.shopmetrospy.com/graphics/Product_143_PrSpare2.jpg > > personally, I think these folks would be more useful as fertilizer. > i have to agree with you, now I've read this quote. "Yes, that means killing terrorists...and another thing, what happened at Abu Ghraib, the panty on the head thing, is called hazing. And at least that scum bag still has a head. Peace-out Hippie!" presumably that means they'd be happy to have their son/daughter go through Abu Ghraib as a "coming of age" experience ("suffering builds character...") - do they stick electrodes on peoples testicles as part of hazing also? Sam * postmoderncore website (w/ mp3s & art) http://www.postmoderncore.com spoken word and music compilation from Wellington & New Zealand artists http://www.saladbones.co.nz * From quahogs at sensoryresearch.com Thu Jul 1 20:04:17 2004 From: quahogs at sensoryresearch.com (Quahogs!) Date: Thu Jul 1 16:04:52 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 bypostingbootlegcopy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2754.216.196.212.141.1088723057.squirrel@www.sensoryresearch.com> >> Did anyone notice that the gentleman on the button is kind of undead? >> I can't bring myself to believe that Bush or Cheney would approve of >> building an army of reanimated corpses. Kinda bad for PR, I'd think. > > Aren't Bush and, especially Cheney reanimated corpses? reanimation is a viable tactic: http://www.bush-zombiereagan.com/ --Quahogs-- =============================================== The Quahogs Entertainment Group, featuring Quahogs, DJ Empirical, sch?del, Montana Wildhack, and Tyrone Shoelaces. http://www.sensoryresearch.com/~quahogs/ Announcement List (for gigs, new downloads, etc.) email: qeg-subscribe@yahoogroups.com =============================================== From pl1x at earthlink.net Mon Jul 5 12:06:43 2004 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Mon Jul 5 08:06:49 2004 Subject: [Rumori] anti-michael moore site attacks f9/11 by posting bootleg copy Message-ID: <16953438.1089040004979.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5342052/ NEW YORK - The war between Michael Moore and his critics has escalated as a Web site targeting the ???Fahrenheit 9/11??? director posted a link to an illegal ???Fahrenheit??? file download. In the process, it also attacked the filmmaker???s stance on copyright law. Here's an interview of Moore where his stance on copyright was made: http://noneinc.com/tteesstt/MichealMooreOnCopyright.avi Problems playing the .avi http://www.videolan.org/ plays most files. From david at personify.tv Wed Jul 7 12:02:31 2004 From: david at personify.tv (David Goldschmidt) Date: Wed Jul 7 11:57:33 2004 Subject: [Rumori] revised - San Francisco Mediatrips Competition Message-ID: <05d201c4644c$92fa3620$2253a943@userzwr59olfli> quick hello- For the next year, I will be hosting a monthly competition. Media artists are asked to rip and remix material from TV and Film to create something new/original related to the competition's theme. There isn't much prize money so I decided to just donate it to EFF (the Electronic Frontier Foundation) on behalf of the winner. So if you are interested in supporting the right to rip and remix pop media and/or EFF then please pass this info along to anyone you think would be interested in the Competition. david goldschmidt san francisco, ca www.mediatrips.com +++sampling popculture is not a crime From aleph at aleph-null.net Fri Jul 9 15:22:04 2004 From: aleph at aleph-null.net (niall munnelly) Date: Fri Jul 9 14:22:08 2004 Subject: [Rumori] irdial speaks out Message-ID: <20040709212204.GA20584@pogo.dreamhost.com> akin fernandez has a four-page essay about the conet project and the recent lawsuit concerning same here: http://www.subsystence.net/index.php?go=article4.htm -- yours, niall. .. . . . . . . . . . aleph null. a simple insinuation around silence. .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.pgp .. .. From footage at panix.com Sat Jul 10 00:45:02 2004 From: footage at panix.com (Rick Prelinger) Date: Fri Jul 9 16:45:51 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Fw: [BoingBoing-mailblog] Park ranger threatens to arrest Eldred forhanding out free Waldens Message-ID: <1758493595-1089416746-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-25699-@engine30> -----Original Message----- From: Cory Doctorow Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:24:05 To:boingboing-mailblog@flarn.com Subject: [BoingBoing-mailblog] Park ranger threatens to arrest Eldred for handing out free Waldens Park ranger threatens to arrest Eldred for handing out free Waldens Eric Eldred, an Internet Bookmobile driver and poster child for the public domain, was threatened with arrest for handing out free copies of Walden at Walden Pond: Yesterday (July 8, 2004) I took the Internet Bookmobile to Walden Pond in Concord, Mass. It was the 150th anniversary of H. D. Thoreau's book "Walden." The Thoreau Society had a dawn to dusk reading. After an hour of having readers print and take away free copies of "Walden," I was asked by the Walden Pond Reservation police to pack up and leave and threatened with arrest. I left. The park supervisor (Denise Morrissey, 978-369-3254) told me I could not pass out free literature without a permit. And she would not give me a permit because, as she explained, the state park gets money from a concession by the Thoreau Society, which operates a store that sells "Walden"--and I was competing with them by giving away free copies. There is no place to park at Walden Pond except in the state parking lot, for which I paid $5. Link (http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=18126) -- http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/09/park_ranger_threaten.html _______________________________________________ boingboing-mailblog mailing list boingboing-mailblog@flarn.com http://lists.flarn.com/mailman/listinfo/boingboing-mailblog - - - - - - - - - Rick Prelinger Prelinger Archives. San Francisco footage@panix.com http://www.prelinger.com From david at personify.tv Sun Jul 18 11:53:12 2004 From: david at personify.tv (David Goldschmidt) Date: Sun Jul 18 10:51:19 2004 Subject: [Rumori] San Francisco Mediatrips Competition - August 2004 Message-ID: <026d01c46cf0$186c7b50$0202a8c0@userzwr59olfli> SFMC - Open Call For Submissions - August 2004 [Apologies for cross-posting. Please forward] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Media is easy to absorb difficult to filter. Its current "filters" are nice simple categories There is a channel of comedy a network for cartoons and shopping and sex and so on. Each channel delivers formatted content produced by journalists and scriptwriters for easy consumption. However, formatted categories can belie the mediated experience. The SFMC prefers media filters. A [person] as a media filter; or A [pattern of people] as a media filter. Each month the San Francisco Mediatrips Competition will host a new competition. The subject/theme/filter will be a [person] or a [pattern of people]. Contestants are asked to find content related to the competition's subject/theme/filter and re-use it to create a new media experience. --- --- August 2004 Competition --- --- Subject: Human Hell -- [pattern of people] Submission Deadline: August 31, 2004 Prize: $200 (Donated to EFF on behalf of the Winner) Sponsor: David Goldschmidt For more Info please visit www.mediatrips.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like to be removed from this list, please reply with the word "REMOVE" in the subject line. Note: If you tried to remove your email address from the list last month please let me know. I used the wrong "reply" address and never received your request for removal. From peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk Mon Jul 19 00:39:26 2004 From: peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk (Vicki Bennett) Date: Sun Jul 18 15:39:37 2004 Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb Message-ID: <52F5FE7F-D90B-11D8-B0BC-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE People Like Us is pleased to announce the exclusive release their new recordings "Abridged Too Far" on the internet at www.ubu.com. Mon. 19 July -- Following last year's posting of their full 14 year discography for free download, People Like Us is going one step further in releasing a new album exclusively online. Given the poor state of music/media distribution for non-major label music, PLU are favouring circulation of one's work as the ultimate goal, in the belief that the gift economy ultimately reaps as much, if not more rewards by reaching more people. "We strongly believe in the power of profit through free distribution. Often people have never heard of an artist because they aren't being distributed through as many channels as they should be, due to the very poor state of music/media distribution for non-major label music coupled with ignorance of the way that avant garde art forms infiltrate mainstream culture. Also many prints of a work are allowed to go out of circulation or are deleted for no reason other than cost effectiveness by a label/publisher. This makes perfect sense financially, but no sense whatsoever that a year's work by an artist should also disappear for such reasons. So get all of this while you can, and we completely endorse getting one's work out there, no matter what. If you don't share, your profit is limited." "Abridged Too Far" is a collection of audio work first conceived through experimentation through or on radio. Given that this was the initial point of inspiration, it feels most appropriate to release this on the internet which has similar 'on the air' qualities. The experience found from internet broadcasting and sharing is very different to that of the world of retail - the effect is immediate and far fetching, plus the feedback can be immense. It is a good feeling to know the work is far more likely to reach it's intended audience since it transcends physical borders. On Abridged Too Far, People Like Us continues its pastiche of impressions of popular music from Europe and America from the 1920s thru to 1990s. Bennett's work is an examination of the affect of hearing well known tunes and lyrics in fragments, then putting those elements to play-- resonating, intermingling and recombining with the listeners own associations and shards of memories. But this music, countering the pathos of straight tear-sucking nostalgia never settles in a place for its listener to cozily reflect times past. Rather, the deft recontextualization and juxtaposition of individual elements creates an alchemical space of sublime and satirical transformation. This work is justified only because it is transformative; that it reflects something that may never have even been what it was perceived to be. People Like Us weaves a revealing nether-narrative to accompany popular culture's monolithic straight telling of its own history. The reality of which is columned by the sinister underpinnings of rapacious consumer culture and empty marketing. This is not background music. It is engaging, inclusive and reflective. Not only a conduit of dialogic criticism for Ms. Bennett, People Like Us is also personal and personable to a stranger given our shared experience and running commentary of the Western World. Do not buy this album! http://www.ubu.com http://www.peoplelikeus.org http://www.peoplelikeus.org http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/PL From valyi at mokk.bme.hu Mon Jul 19 20:22:48 2004 From: valyi at mokk.bme.hu (=?iso-8859-1?B?VuFseWkgR+Fib3I=?=) Date: Mon Jul 19 10:22:58 2004 Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb References: <52F5FE7F-D90B-11D8-B0BC-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> Message-ID: <007901c46db5$043e81d0$992c4298@R2D2> To paraphrase ABBA: Thank you for the music, the cutting and pasting Thanks for all the DIY you're bringing I guess this is just the right move in getting music out to the people when music biz is about to kick the bucket. Thanks again, Gabor Valyi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Bennett" To: "Detritus discussion list." Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:39 AM Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > People Like Us is pleased to announce the exclusive release their new > recordings "Abridged Too Far" on the internet at www.ubu.com. > > > Mon. 19 July -- Following last year's posting of their full 14 year > discography for free download, People Like Us is going one step further > in releasing a new album exclusively online. Given the poor state of > music/media distribution for non-major label music, PLU are favouring > circulation of one's work as the ultimate goal, in the belief that the > gift economy ultimately reaps as much, if not more rewards by reaching > more people. > > "We strongly believe in the power of profit through free distribution. > Often people have never heard of an artist because they aren't being > distributed through as many channels as they should be, due to the very > poor state of music/media distribution for non-major label music > coupled with ignorance of the way that avant garde art forms infiltrate > mainstream culture. Also many prints of a work are allowed to go out of > circulation or are deleted for no reason other than cost effectiveness > by a label/publisher. This makes perfect sense financially, but no > sense whatsoever that a year's work by an artist should also disappear > for such reasons. So get all of this while you can, and we completely > endorse getting one's work out there, no matter what. If you don't > share, your profit is limited." > > "Abridged Too Far" is a collection of audio work first conceived > through experimentation through or on radio. Given that this was the > initial point of inspiration, it feels most appropriate to release this > on the internet which has similar 'on the air' qualities. The > experience found from internet broadcasting and sharing is very > different to that of the world of retail - the effect is immediate and > far fetching, plus the feedback can be immense. It is a good feeling to > know the work is far more likely to reach it's intended audience since > it transcends physical borders. > > On Abridged Too Far, People Like Us continues its pastiche of > impressions of popular music from Europe and America from the 1920s > thru to 1990s. Bennett's work is an examination of the affect of > hearing well known tunes and lyrics in fragments, then putting those > elements to play-- resonating, intermingling and recombining with the > listeners own associations and shards of memories. But this music, > countering the pathos of straight tear-sucking nostalgia never settles > in a place for its listener to cozily reflect times past. Rather, the > deft recontextualization and juxtaposition of individual elements > creates an alchemical space of sublime and satirical transformation. > This work is justified only because it is transformative; that it > reflects something that may never have even been what it was perceived > to be. People Like Us weaves a revealing nether-narrative to > accompany popular culture's monolithic straight telling of its own > history. The reality of which is columned by the sinister > underpinnings of rapacious consumer culture and empty marketing. > > This is not background music. It is engaging, inclusive and > reflective. Not only a conduit of dialogic criticism for Ms. Bennett, > People Like Us is also personal and personable to a stranger given our > shared experience and running commentary of the Western World. > > Do not buy this album! > > http://www.ubu.com > http://www.peoplelikeus.org > > > http://www.peoplelikeus.org > http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/PL > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk Mon Jul 19 19:30:45 2004 From: peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk (Vicki Bennett) Date: Mon Jul 19 10:31:13 2004 Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb In-Reply-To: <007901c46db5$043e81d0$992c4298@R2D2> References: <52F5FE7F-D90B-11D8-B0BC-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> <007901c46db5$043e81d0$992c4298@R2D2> Message-ID: <5DBF4140-D9A9-11D8-BA86-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> Thanks :) Some DJ just wrote and asked me for a promo, I had to explain that an mp3 release isn't something I could possibly put into an envelope. Thank goodness. Vicki On 19 Jul 2004, at 18:22, V?lyi G?bor wrote: > To paraphrase ABBA: > > Thank you for the music, the cutting and pasting > Thanks for all the DIY you're bringing > > I guess this is just the right move in getting music out to the people > when > music biz is about to kick the bucket. > > Thanks again, > > Gabor Valyi > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vicki Bennett" > To: "Detritus discussion list." > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:39 AM > Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb > > >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> People Like Us is pleased to announce the exclusive release their new >> recordings "Abridged Too Far" on the internet at www.ubu.com. >> >> >> Mon. 19 July -- Following last year's posting of their full 14 year >> discography for free download, People Like Us is going one step >> further >> in releasing a new album exclusively online. Given the poor state of >> music/media distribution for non-major label music, PLU are favouring >> circulation of one's work as the ultimate goal, in the belief that the >> gift economy ultimately reaps as much, if not more rewards by reaching >> more people. >> >> "We strongly believe in the power of profit through free distribution. >> Often people have never heard of an artist because they aren't being >> distributed through as many channels as they should be, due to the >> very >> poor state of music/media distribution for non-major label music >> coupled with ignorance of the way that avant garde art forms >> infiltrate >> mainstream culture. Also many prints of a work are allowed to go out >> of >> circulation or are deleted for no reason other than cost effectiveness >> by a label/publisher. This makes perfect sense financially, but no >> sense whatsoever that a year's work by an artist should also disappear >> for such reasons. So get all of this while you can, and we completely >> endorse getting one's work out there, no matter what. If you don't >> share, your profit is limited." >> >> "Abridged Too Far" is a collection of audio work first conceived >> through experimentation through or on radio. Given that this was the >> initial point of inspiration, it feels most appropriate to release >> this >> on the internet which has similar 'on the air' qualities. The >> experience found from internet broadcasting and sharing is very >> different to that of the world of retail - the effect is immediate and >> far fetching, plus the feedback can be immense. It is a good feeling >> to >> know the work is far more likely to reach it's intended audience since >> it transcends physical borders. >> >> On Abridged Too Far, People Like Us continues its pastiche of >> impressions of popular music from Europe and America from the 1920s >> thru to 1990s. Bennett's work is an examination of the affect of >> hearing well known tunes and lyrics in fragments, then putting those >> elements to play-- resonating, intermingling and recombining with the >> listeners own associations and shards of memories. But this music, >> countering the pathos of straight tear-sucking nostalgia never settles >> in a place for its listener to cozily reflect times past. Rather, the >> deft recontextualization and juxtaposition of individual elements >> creates an alchemical space of sublime and satirical transformation. >> This work is justified only because it is transformative; that it >> reflects something that may never have even been what it was perceived >> to be. People Like Us weaves a revealing nether-narrative to >> accompany popular culture's monolithic straight telling of its own >> history. The reality of which is columned by the sinister >> underpinnings of rapacious consumer culture and empty marketing. >> >> This is not background music. It is engaging, inclusive and >> reflective. Not only a conduit of dialogic criticism for Ms. Bennett, >> People Like Us is also personal and personable to a stranger given our >> shared experience and running commentary of the Western World. >> >> Do not buy this album! >> >> http://www.ubu.com >> http://www.peoplelikeus.org >> >> >> http://www.peoplelikeus.org >> http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/PL >> _______________________________________________ >> Rumori mailing list >> Rumori@detritus.net >> http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >> older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > http://www.peoplelikeus.org http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/PL From pan at sensoryresearch.com Mon Jul 19 14:33:19 2004 From: pan at sensoryresearch.com (Pan) Date: Mon Jul 19 10:33:57 2004 Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb In-Reply-To: <5DBF4140-D9A9-11D8-BA86-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> References: <52F5FE7F-D90B-11D8-B0BC-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> <007901c46db5$043e81d0$992c4298@R2D2> <5DBF4140-D9A9-11D8-BA86-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> Message-ID: On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Vicki Bennett wrote: > Some DJ just wrote and asked me for a promo, I had to explain that an > mp3 release isn't something I could possibly put into an envelope. hehe, just you wait. If the RIAA and the post office find a way, there will be :) Pan From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 11:44:04 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Mon Jul 19 10:45:20 2004 Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb Message-ID: why, that's simple! You put the mp3's on a compact disc and put the compact disc in an envelope - viola! Then you can wave your new mp3-filled envelope around all fancy-like to the ooh's and aah's of any bystanders. >On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Vicki Bennett wrote: > >>Some DJ just wrote and asked me for a promo, I had to explain that an mp3 >>release isn't something I could possibly put into an envelope. > >hehe, just you wait. If the RIAA and the post office find a way, there will >be :) > >Pan > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ‘Dig Yourself Out of Debt’ from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx From peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk Mon Jul 19 19:52:20 2004 From: peoplelikeus at mistral.co.uk (Vicki Bennett) Date: Mon Jul 19 10:54:31 2004 Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61C6AE28-D9AC-11D8-BA86-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> Yeah, and I'll also flush 5000 dollars down the toilet, and then it will be like a REAL release :) On 19 Jul 2004, at 18:44, matt davignon wrote: > why, that's simple! You put the mp3's on a compact disc and put the > compact disc in an envelope - viola! Then you can wave your new > mp3-filled envelope around all fancy-like to the ooh's and aah's of > any bystanders. > >> On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Vicki Bennett wrote: >> >>> Some DJ just wrote and asked me for a promo, I had to explain that >>> an mp3 release isn't something I could possibly put into an >>> envelope. >> >> hehe, just you wait. If the RIAA and the post office find a way, >> there will be :) >> >> Pan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rumori mailing list >> Rumori@detritus.net >> http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >> older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ?Dig Yourself Out of Debt? from > MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > http://www.peoplelikeus.org http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/PL From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 12:56:02 2004 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Mon Jul 19 11:56:07 2004 Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb Message-ID: Don't do that! It'll cause the toilet to back up! If you must, write "$5,000" on a piece of toilet paper and flush that. >From: Vicki Bennett >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." >To: "Detritus discussion list." >Subject: Re: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb >Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:52:20 +0100 > >Yeah, and I'll also flush 5000 dollars down the toilet, and then it will be >like a REAL release :) > >On 19 Jul 2004, at 18:44, matt davignon wrote: > >>why, that's simple! You put the mp3's on a compact disc and put the >>compact disc in an envelope - viola! Then you can wave your new mp3-filled >>envelope around all fancy-like to the ooh's and aah's of any bystanders. >> >>>On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Vicki Bennett wrote: >>> >>>>Some DJ just wrote and asked me for a promo, I had to explain that an >>>>mp3 release isn't something I could possibly put into an envelope. >>> >>>hehe, just you wait. If the RIAA and the post office find a way, there >>>will be :) >>> >>>Pan >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rumori mailing list >>>Rumori@detritus.net >>>http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >>>older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ‘Dig Yourself Out of Debt’ from MSN >>Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rumori mailing list >>Rumori@detritus.net >>http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >>older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ >> >> >http://www.peoplelikeus.org >http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/PL > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ‘Dig Yourself Out of Debt’ from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx From steev at detritus.net Mon Jul 19 13:30:24 2004 From: steev at detritus.net (steev@detritus.net) Date: Mon Jul 19 12:30:36 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: This Land Message-ID: (((((((((((((((((((((( Detritus Update: This Land )))))))))))))))))))))) July 19, 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://detritus.net/blog/archives/000091.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is a totally incredible Flash animation that parodies Woody Guthrie's song "This Land," making great use of cut-and-paste appropriative techniques and making some powerful statements about the presidential campaign, while being really really funny at the same time. -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.661 http://www.movabletype.org/ From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Tue Jul 20 00:31:19 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Mon Jul 19 20:30:27 2004 Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb In-Reply-To: <52F5FE7F-D90B-11D8-B0BC-000A95C713E8@mistral.co.uk> Message-ID: <4418ABB0-D9FD-11D8-93FA-00039368C928@digitalrealm.net> Thank you Vicki! Do you mind if I post this on WCBN's dj list? Also, this Thursday, July 22nd from 12 to 3 PM (EST), I'll be broad/web-casting my quasi-annual Ann Arbor Art Fare radio sarcasti-blowout (during the aforementioned Ann Arbor Art Fare). http://www.wcbn.org/quicktime.html If you have any suggestions, samples, etc. regarding art, art fairs, buying art, making art, what art is....., please let me know. Ed Spitup edspecial@digitalrealm.net On Sunday, July 18, 2004, at 06:39 PM, Vicki Bennett wrote: > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > People Like Us is pleased to announce the exclusive release their new > recordings "Abridged Too Far" on the internet at www.ubu.com. > > > Mon. 19 July -- Following last year's posting of their full 14 year > discography for free download, People Like Us is going one step > further in releasing a new album exclusively online. Given the poor > state of music/media distribution for non-major label music, PLU are > favouring circulation of one's work as the ultimate goal, in the > belief that the gift economy ultimately reaps as much, if not more > rewards by reaching more people. > > "We strongly believe in the power of profit through free distribution. > Often people have never heard of an artist because they aren't being > distributed through as many channels as they should be, due to the > very poor state of music/media distribution for non-major label music > coupled with ignorance of the way that avant garde art forms > infiltrate mainstream culture. Also many prints of a work are allowed > to go out of circulation or are deleted for no reason other than cost > effectiveness by a label/publisher. This makes perfect sense > financially, but no sense whatsoever that a year's work by an artist > should also disappear for such reasons. So get all of this while you > can, and we completely endorse getting one's work out there, no matter > what. If you don't share, your profit is limited." > > "Abridged Too Far" is a collection of audio work first conceived > through experimentation through or on radio. Given that this was the > initial point of inspiration, it feels most appropriate to release > this on the internet which has similar 'on the air' qualities. The > experience found from internet broadcasting and sharing is very > different to that of the world of retail - the effect is immediate and > far fetching, plus the feedback can be immense. It is a good feeling > to know the work is far more likely to reach it's intended audience > since it transcends physical borders. > > On Abridged Too Far, People Like Us continues its pastiche of > impressions of popular music from Europe and America from the 1920s > thru to 1990s. Bennett's work is an examination of the affect of > hearing well known tunes and lyrics in fragments, then putting those > elements to play-- resonating, intermingling and recombining with the > listeners own associations and shards of memories. But this music, > countering the pathos of straight tear-sucking nostalgia never settles > in a place for its listener to cozily reflect times past. Rather, the > deft recontextualization and juxtaposition of individual elements > creates an alchemical space of sublime and satirical transformation. > This work is justified only because it is transformative; that it > reflects something that may never have even been what it was perceived > to be. People Like Us weaves a revealing nether-narrative to > accompany popular culture's monolithic straight telling of its own > history. The reality of which is columned by the sinister > underpinnings of rapacious consumer culture and empty marketing. > > This is not background music. It is engaging, inclusive and > reflective. Not only a conduit of dialogic criticism for Ms. Bennett, > People Like Us is also personal and personable to a stranger given our > shared experience and running commentary of the Western World. > > Do not buy this album! > > http://www.ubu.com > http://www.peoplelikeus.org > > > http://www.peoplelikeus.org > http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/PL > _______________________________________________ From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Tue Jul 20 00:45:55 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Mon Jul 19 20:45:02 2004 Subject: [Rumori] People Like Us new album release at UbuWeb Message-ID: <4DF53C09-D9FF-11D8-93FA-00039368C928@digitalrealm.net> oops. Not meant for all. . . . however, I guess this part could be: this Thursday, July 22nd from 12 to 3 PM (EST), I'll be broad/web-casting my quasi-annual Ann Arbor Art Fare radio sarcasti-blowout (during the aforementioned Ann Arbor Art Fare). http://www.wcbn.org/quicktime.html If you have any suggestions or audio samples regarding art, art fairs, buying art, making art, what art is, etc, please let me know. Ed Spitup edspecial@digitalrealm.net From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Wed Jul 21 02:52:04 2004 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Tue Jul 20 22:51:19 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Tuli Kupferberg Message-ID: <17D888A4-DADA-11D8-B937-00039368C928@digitalrealm.net> Can anyone provide an mp3 of Tuli Kupferberg's recitation of a want-ad about an art sale? I cannot remember the name of the track, nor the CD it came from. Ed Special From dghrvy at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 01:02:10 2004 From: dghrvy at hotmail.com (Doug Harvey) Date: Wed Jul 21 00:02:43 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Tuli Kupferberg Message-ID: Its probably on No Deposit No Return. My vinyl copy's in someones basement in Canada. Weirdly, it was reissued on CD but is now OOP. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00002DFB4/qid=1090393121/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-6568955-0097538?v=glance&s=music : >From: Ed Special >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." >To: Detritus list. >Subject: [Rumori] Tuli Kupferberg >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:52:04 -0400 > > > >Can anyone provide an mp3 of Tuli Kupferberg's recitation of a want-ad >about an art sale? > >I cannot remember the name of the track, nor the CD it came from. > >Ed Special > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From heykelby at tampabay.rr.com Thu Jul 22 03:44:16 2004 From: heykelby at tampabay.rr.com (Kelly) Date: Wed Jul 21 23:42:25 2004 Subject: [Rumori] online albums Message-ID: <001401c46fb7$4ecbe4a0$8f2b1c18@CONJUNCTIO> Hi everyone... I'm new to this list. It was recommended by Vicki Bennett. I'm trying to put together material for an article on online exclusive releases, inspired by Ergo Phizmiz and PLU. Does anyone here have any recommendations about anyone else who has released exclusively online? thx Bruce Perry Disposable Thumb Recordings www.disposablethumbrecordings.com From das at ubuibi.org Thu Jul 22 02:27:09 2004 From: das at ubuibi.org (das) Date: Thu Jul 22 01:29:49 2004 Subject: [Rumori] online albums References: <001401c46fb7$4ecbe4a0$8f2b1c18@CONJUNCTIO> Message-ID: <40FF7A5C.9058CD95@ubuibi.org> hmmmmmm; http://ubuibi.org/sound.html Kelly wrote: > > > I'm new to this list. I'm trying to put together material for an article on online exclusive releases, i Does anyone here have any recommendations about anyone else who has released exclusively online? > > thx > Bruce Perry > From ankitoner at menta.net Thu Jul 22 13:19:00 2004 From: ankitoner at menta.net (ankitoner@menta.net) Date: Thu Jul 22 03:19:38 2004 Subject: [Rumori] online albums Message-ID: <20040722101900.YGAF10037.smtp03.retemail.es@smtp03> Check the Internet Archive (www.archive.org), under "netlabels". By the way, for everyone in the list, my own netlabel (www.hazardrecords.org) has finally uploaded all its catalogue. Here it is: http://www.archive.org/audio/collection.php?collection=hazard_records More than 30 albums of appropiation, manipulation, improvisation and other strange music from Barcelona (Spain), all in the public domain. Enjoy, Anki Toner > > De: "Kelly" > Fecha: 2004/07/22 jue AM 08:44:16 GMT+02:00 > Para: > Asunto: [Rumori] online albums > > Hi everyone... > > I'm new to this list. It was recommended by Vicki Bennett. I'm trying to put together material for an article on online exclusive releases, inspired by Ergo Phizmiz and PLU. Does anyone here have any recommendations about anyone else who has released exclusively online? > > thx > Bruce Perry > > > Disposable Thumb Recordings > www.disposablethumbrecordings.com > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Thu Jul 22 08:27:56 2004 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Thu Jul 22 07:28:00 2004 Subject: [Rumori] online albums In-Reply-To: <001401c46fb7$4ecbe4a0$8f2b1c18@CONJUNCTIO> Message-ID: <20040722142756.62785.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kelly wrote: > I'm new to this list. It was recommended by Vicki Bennett. I'm > trying to put together material for an article on online exclusive > releases, inspired by Ergo Phizmiz and PLU. Does anyone here have > any recommendations about anyone else who has released exclusively > online? otis fodder's net label: http://www.comfortstand.com/ the next animals within animals ep will be on lost frog (whenever it actually gets posted): http://www.lostfrog.net/ ===== "I prefer the impersonality of email." -drbmd http://www.animalswithinanimals.com http://badtastesucks.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From brainstone at yifan.net Thu Jul 22 16:40:49 2004 From: brainstone at yifan.net (stephen hastings-king) Date: Thu Jul 22 12:49:59 2004 Subject: [Rumori] online albums Message-ID: <41001841.6ad7.0@yifan.net> list comrades! i have been on the list for quite a while but have not posted anything of the music i am involved with until now. it doesnt quite alot into the main concerns voiced on the list, but it is a barrage in its own way. www.clairaudient.org information about us, the performances that we are gearing up for. there is a 70 meg mp3 of a performance from last february for your delectation in obvious section. the instrumentation is piano and electronics---you should not be able to tell what is what for big chunks of the performance. there are no treatments ex post---it is a live improvised set. play it loud please. and bounce back reactions, if you are so inclined. we'll be putting new music up shortly. thanks. stephen ----------------------------------------------------- http://eo.yifan.net Free POP3/Web Email, File Manager, Calendar and Address Book From heykelby at tampabay.rr.com Thu Jul 22 20:00:49 2004 From: heykelby at tampabay.rr.com (Kelly) Date: Thu Jul 22 15:59:04 2004 Subject: [Rumori] online albums References: <41001841.6ad7.0@yifan.net> Message-ID: <000901c4703f$bbfdf5d0$8f2b1c18@CONJUNCTIO> Thanks everyone...I have loads of source material already. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen hastings-king" To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Rumori] online albums > list comrades! > > i have been on the list for quite a while but have not posted anything > of the music i am involved with until now. it doesnt quite alot into > the main concerns voiced on the list, but it is a barrage in its own > way. > > www.clairaudient.org > > information about us, the performances that we are gearing up for. > there is a 70 meg mp3 of a performance from last february for your > delectation in obvious section. the instrumentation is piano and > electronics---you should not be able to tell what is what for big > chunks of the performance. > there are no treatments ex post---it is a live improvised set. > play it loud please. > and bounce back reactions, if you are so inclined. > > we'll be putting new music up shortly. > > thanks. > > stephen > > ----------------------------------------------------- > http://eo.yifan.net > Free POP3/Web Email, File Manager, Calendar and Address Book > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From pepe at pobox.com Fri Jul 23 04:34:53 2004 From: pepe at pobox.com (Per Platou) Date: Thu Jul 22 18:35:41 2004 Subject: [Rumori] online albums In-Reply-To: <001401c46fb7$4ecbe4a0$8f2b1c18@CONJUNCTIO> References: <001401c46fb7$4ecbe4a0$8f2b1c18@CONJUNCTIO> Message-ID: <7F00CA0C-DC48-11D8-96AA-000A95CDA95A@pobox.com> For a (former east) european perspective - check out the label EgobooBits in Zagreb, Croatia: Best, Pepe (Oslo/Norway) !(/&"#)/&!)(/&)/\?}\?}/>/>//&)/Q"/ www.liveart.org +47 93069406 On Jul 22, 2004, at 8:44 AM, Kelly wrote: > Hi everyone... > > I'm new to this list. It was recommended by Vicki Bennett. I'm > trying to put together material for an article on online exclusive > releases, inspired by Ergo Phizmiz and PLU. Does anyone here have any > recommendations about anyone else who has released exclusively online? > > thx > Bruce Perry From steev at detritus.net Sun Jul 25 10:50:35 2004 From: steev at detritus.net (steev@detritus.net) Date: Sun Jul 25 09:50:43 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: Fanfiction Roundup Message-ID: (((((((((((((((((( Detritus Update: Fanfiction Roundup )))))))))))))))))) July 25, 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://detritus.net/blog/archives/000096.html -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.661 http://www.movabletype.org/ From micah at benthic.cc Tue Jul 27 02:39:03 2004 From: micah at benthic.cc (Micah Stupak) Date: Mon Jul 26 18:39:07 2004 Subject: [Rumori] micah wants to know... Message-ID: <1090892340.14542.161010.sendUpdate@mx.plaxo.com> ahoy Rumori, please pardon this pre-filled form field interruption - I'm updating my address book. Please take a moment to update your latest contact information. Your information is stored in my personal address book and will not be shared with anyone else. Plaxo is free, if you'd like to give it a try. and that's what the automatic field says! isn't it cute? Click the following link to correct or confirm your information: https://www.plaxo.com/edit_contact_info?r=25770125330-19748212--982058765 Name: rumori Job Title: Company: Work E-mail: rumori@detritus.net Work Phone: Work Fax: Work Address Line 1: Work Address Line 2: Work City, State, Zip: Mobile Phone: Home E-mail: Home Phone: Home Fax: Home Address Line 1: Home Address Line 2: Home City, State, Zip: Birthday: P.S. I've included my personal card below so that you have my current information. 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To opt out: https://www.plaxo.com/opt_out?r=25770125330-19748212--982058765 Plaxo's Privacy Policy: http://www.plaxo.com/support/privacy From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 08:25:33 2004 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Wed Jul 28 07:25:39 2004 Subject: [Rumori] new animals within animals mp3ep for free download Message-ID: <20040728142533.2864.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> animals within animals and lost frog productions present: animals within animals - get me some press or kill these people tokyo-based lost frog productions has put out the first studio release from animals within animals in three years, & it's available for free download, with pdf cover art for you to print out and hang on your wall. "get me some press or kill these" people is raw and emotional. it takes the cutup sampling sensibilities of awia's earlier studio work and infuses it with the harsh noise flavor of their live performances. the result is intense and seemingly erratic, as the reptilian brain overcomes the mammalian brain and arranges sound based on raw instinct rather than cold logic or "musical" formula. check it out at http://www.lostfrog.net/ and hey, while you're there, you might as well download some of the other lost frog mp3 releases... a few of my favorites include the releases by panicsville, five starcle men, & kingdom scum... & how can you not like a band called "world targets in megadeaths"? ===== "I prefer the impersonality of email." -drbmd http://www.animalswithinanimals.com http://badtastesucks.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From steev at detritus.net Thu Jul 29 00:29:21 2004 From: steev at detritus.net (steev@detritus.net) Date: Wed Jul 28 23:29:29 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: JibJab Jabbed by Lawyers Message-ID: ((((((((((((((( Detritus Update: JibJab Jabbed by Lawyers ))))))))))))))) July 29, 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The owners of Woody Guthrie's song "This Land" are taking legal action, amazingly, against the creators of the brilliant parody of the song on jibjab.com (mentioned here a few days ago). The publishers of the song seem to be completely... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://detritus.net/blog/archives/000099.html -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.661 http://www.movabletype.org/ From kingwilson at comcast.net Thu Jul 29 02:33:09 2004 From: kingwilson at comcast.net (king wilson) Date: Wed Jul 28 23:33:14 2004 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: JibJab Jabbed by Lawyers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2899C412-E129-11D8-8F73-000A27D7AB86@comcast.net> Are TV Networks ?Inducing? Infringement? Music Publisher Threatens Suit Over Song Parody Played On Network TV Washington, July 28, 2004 ? The Home Recording Rights Coalition (HRRC) today pointed to the threat of suit against a popular political song parody as illustrating worrisome trends in copyright law, and, in particular, the danger posed by a pending bill, S. 2560, the Inducing Infringement of Copyrights Act of 2004. A music publishing company now holding the rights to the late Woody Guthrie?s 1956 classic ?This Land Is Your Land? has threatened to sue the creators of the widely circulated JibJab parody. ?This case illustrates the potentially cascading effect of overly broad laws and court cases,? HRRC Chairman Gary Shapiro said. ?Copyright terms have been extended for almost a century after the artist dies. Coverage for these protected works is claimed so broadly as to chill, threaten and squelch any possible creativity, in others, that the works may inspire. Now -- if S. 2560 were to pass ? anyone who popularizes, points to, or even discusses an allegedly infringing version would also face suit for infringement. It would then take a jury trial to prove that you did not intend to induce infringement.? ?This Land Is Your Land? was written almost 50 years ago. The creators of the satirical JibJab web site produced a music video parody featuring images of President Bush, Senator Kerry, and other well-known political figures. It achieved such notice and acclaim that it was featured on the CBS Evening News. The creators were interviewed and lauded on ABC World News Tonight. When Ludlow Music, the present rights holder, threatened suit, the NBC Nightly News ran portions of it. Today, the CNN/Money site -- http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/26/commentary/wastler/wastler/?cnn=yes -- and others feature links to the full presentation on the JibJab site. ?CBS is owned by Viacom, which owns a movie studio,? Shapiro continued. ?CNN is owned by Time Warner, which owns a movie studio. Disney owns ABC. GE owns NBC Universal. By channeling viewers to the web site for additional plays of the allegedly infringing work, and even actively promoting it, these sophisticated businesses would seem to be knowingly inducing further alleged infringements. If S. 2560 were to pass, it would seem that they would be among the likely defendants, along with the JibJab creators.? Shapiro added that HRRC, of course, is not pre-judging the validity of the copyright claim against the JibJab parody. The right to parody, like other instances of fair use, is strongly grounded in the First Amendment. The point, he said, is that if such a case is considered strong enough to go to trial, S. 2560 would make potential defendants of Disney, CBS, NBC, CNN, and many others who have pointed to, forwarded, or publicly performed the JibJab work. HRRC also noted, courtesy of the ?Techdirt? site -- http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20040726/1733230_F.shtml ? that the view of copyright taken by publishers who acquire artists? rights often differs dramatically from the views of the artists themselves. As reported by ?Techdirt,? here is the copyright notice that Woody Guthrie himself affixed to a work: "This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright # 154085, for a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin it without our permission, will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don't give a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that's all we wanted to do."_________________