From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Mon Apr 4 14:11:20 2005 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (ed special) Date: Mon Apr 4 14:11:25 2005 Subject: [Rumori] testing Message-ID: <44da1b210cb2bca7190670c93e982b95@digitalrealm.net> just testing From ddixon at wi.rr.com Wed Apr 6 16:46:15 2005 From: ddixon at wi.rr.com (David Dixon) Date: Wed Apr 6 16:46:31 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Signal/Noise Briefing Book Message-ID: <00bc01c53b02$d2d5af80$ccd41e41@brw0901> I and Jaymz from Beatallica will be taking part in the Berkman Center's "Signal or Noise II/ Creative Revolution?" conference this Friday. Check out the proceedings here: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/sn/ I think they're going to record and webcast the conference at some point-- they did for the first "Signal/Noise" conference, five years ago. And here's some good readin': http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/SignalNoiseBBFINAL.pdf We plan to give out a lot of free CD's-- both Beatallica and Stark Effect. :) D^2 Webmaster of Puppets, Beatallica (http://beatallica.org) http://stark-effect.com From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Thu Apr 7 17:47:20 2005 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (ed special) Date: Thu Apr 7 17:47:28 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Open Ears Music Festival Message-ID: <770ea2e73f41723a8b6f294efa7c8270@digitalrealm.net> http://www.openears.ca From carrie at stayfreemagazine.org Fri Apr 8 10:21:53 2005 From: carrie at stayfreemagazine.org (Carrie McLaren) Date: Fri Apr 8 10:23:26 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Query: small-run DVD and CDs Message-ID: <94ac6739e0455278d94f6c4e466add87@stayfreemagazine.org> Hello, Can any of you guys recommend hassle-free hardware for burning CDs and DVDs? Or an affordable service for low-run orders (100-200)? (Sorry if this is off-topic but there's so much info online I don't even know where to start....) thanks, carrie Carrie McLaren Editor, Stay Free! (718) 398-9324 blog: http://blog.stayfreemagazine.org magazine: http://www.stayfreemagazine.org exhibit: http://www.illegal-art.org From pan at sensoryresearch.com Fri Apr 8 11:29:50 2005 From: pan at sensoryresearch.com (Pan) Date: Fri Apr 8 12:28:01 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Query: small-run DVD and CDs In-Reply-To: <94ac6739e0455278d94f6c4e466add87@stayfreemagazine.org> References: <94ac6739e0455278d94f6c4e466add87@stayfreemagazine.org> Message-ID: <663c8cab99505933cd04664bbaf48da7@sensoryresearch.com> What's your budget? There are several units available for ~ $1,000: http://www.americanmusical.com/sort--m-h--s-duplicator.html SRN has one on order at the moment. As soon as it arrives, I'll let you know how it works out. Pan On Apr 8, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Carrie McLaren wrote: > Hello, > > Can any of you guys recommend hassle-free hardware for burning CDs and > DVDs? Or an affordable service for low-run orders (100-200)? > (Sorry if this is off-topic but there's so much info online I don't > even know where to start....) > > thanks, > carrie > > > Carrie McLaren > Editor, Stay Free! > (718) 398-9324 > > blog: http://blog.stayfreemagazine.org > magazine: http://www.stayfreemagazine.org > exhibit: http://www.illegal-art.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From postconsumer01 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 12:21:04 2005 From: postconsumer01 at yahoo.com (Jon Nelson) Date: Sat Apr 9 13:21:11 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Re: Rumori Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 Message-ID: <20050409192104.65231.qmail@web20522.mail.yahoo.com> www.dollarcd.com does a real good job - $1 a pop, including b/w artwork on sleeves and disc face. other packages are available. email bryan for more info. his contact info is on the website www.dollarcd.com jon nelson www.PostConsumerProductions.com > > Can any of you guys recommend hassle-free hardware > for burning CDs and > > DVDs? Or an affordable service for low-run orders > (100-200)? > > (Sorry if this is off-topic but there's so much > info online I don't > > even know where to start....) > > > > thanks, > > carrie > > > > > > Carrie McLaren > > Editor, Stay Free! > > (718) 398-9324 > > > > blog: http://blog.stayfreemagazine.org > > magazine: http://www.stayfreemagazine.org > > exhibit: http://www.illegal-art.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rumori mailing list > > Rumori@detritus.net > > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > > older archives: > http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > > > End of Rumori Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 > ************************************* > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From postconsumer01 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 10:20:08 2005 From: postconsumer01 at yahoo.com (Jon Nelson) Date: Wed Apr 13 14:20:22 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Fwd: detritus: Dictionary.com Word of the Day Message-ID: <20050413172009.7117.qmail@web20527.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Rumorites and Detrivores. The secret word of the day is... Detritus!!! jon nelson www.PostConsumerProductions.com --- Doctor Dictionary wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:00:01 -0700 > To: "Dictionary.com Word of the Day" > > From: Doctor Dictionary > Subject: detritus: Dictionary.com Word of the Day > > Word of the Day for Wednesday April 13, 2005 > > detritus \dih-TRY-tuhs\, noun; > plural detritus: > 1. Loose material that is worn away from rocks. > 2. Hence, any fragments separated from the body > to which they > belonged; any product of disintegration; debris. > > The water was smooth and brown, with detritus > swirling in > the eddies from the increasing current. > --Gordon Chaplin, [1]Dark Wind: A Survivor's > Tale of Love > and Loss > > If they [flying cars] were easy to produce, > we'd be walking > around wearing helmets to protect us from the > detritus of > flying car crashes. > --Gail Collins, "Grounded for 2000," [2]New > York Times, > December 7, 1999 > > The loose detritus of thought, washed down > to us through > long ages. > --H. Rogers, Essays > > _________________________________________________________ > > Detritus derives from the past participle of > Latin deterere, > "to rub away, to wear out," from de-, "from" > + terere, "to > rub." It is related to detriment, at root "a > rubbing away, a > wearing away," hence "damage, harm." > > References > > 1. > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0452281822/ref%3Dnosim/lexico > 2. http://www.nytimes.com/ > > Dictionary.com Entry and Pronunciation > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=9&q=detritus > > Note: Audio pronunciation available only to Premium > members. > To learn more about the benefits of Premium > membership, > visit our site: > http://dictionary.reference.com/premium/?r=9 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - > > Free content! Learn how to put the Word of the Day > on your site: > http://dictionary.reference.com/help/linking/wordoftheday.html?r=9 > > Dictionary.com Word of the Day > http://www.dictionary.com/wordoftheday/ > (C) 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. > 65 Pine Ave, #319 Long Beach, CA 90802 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From pl1x at earthlink.net Wed Apr 13 16:45:14 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Wed Apr 13 16:46:52 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Star Wars : Fan Preservation : Deleted Magic/Legacy/WookieGroomer Message-ID: <19550472.1113435915307.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> As the Star Wars movies came back (and Lucas continued to fiddle with the Original Trilogy) and technology improved, the fans took it upon themselves to create DVDs of things Lucasfilm has neglected to pay attention to. The fans also decided to save the movies in the way they remembered seeing them. (Star Wars Preservation (some of the notables are TR47, Dr. Gonzo, MeBeJedi, ISOMIX)) Beside the many fan recreations of the Original Trilogy (which Lucasfilm has said they will never officially release), there are also those who view the available material in a different light. One which stands out is a not for profit fan DVD called "Deleted Magic". http://www.starwarz.com/deletedmagic/ "Deleted scenes. Alternate footage. A look behind the scenes at what didn't make it to the final cut of the Star Wars trilogy." It's a fascinating journey which helps explain how Star Wars came to be Star Wars and shows glimpse of where it could have gone. Deleted Magic takes the discarded to make a presentation which explains alot of the important behind the scene footage which almost made it into Star Wars. Other notable Star Wars fan creations: MagnoliaFan Re-edits / The Phantom Edit/(ors) - These reshaped the new Star Wars films (The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones) to fit a sensability more inline (some feel) with the Original Trilogy. For instance, aliens speak another language, and thus need subtitles. Also other unsightly aspects of the Prequel Trilogy have been removed or lessened. (ie Jar Jar) WookieGroomer Splits 2004/1977 (1981, 1983) - Another not for profit production which allows for easy comparing and contrasting of the Original Trilogy (showcased by the magnificent TR47 version) and the 2004 DVD release. (when new scenes are added or removed the other version goes blank) Star Wars Legacy - http://www.starwarslegacy.com/ - In an effort to supplant the TR47 SW:OT preservation, is the SW:Legacy restoration. Documented in detail, this website provides step by step explanation, showcasing the results of the most extreme fan recreation to date. The results have been so spectacular, that it will most likely only be seen by it's creator. from the FAQ: "Is this LEGAL?! To date I've bought Star Wars on VHS 3 times, Laserdisc twice, and DVD once. When you buy these movies, you can do anything you want with/to them. You can use them as frisbees, or you can capture them into your computer and take Boba-freaking-Fett the f#@* out of Star Wars. What you CAN'T do, is sell such altered versions (bootlegging) or exhibit them commercially. I don't hate George Lucas, I just hate what he's done to these movies. I got tired of bitching about it on message boards, so I decided to do something about it. All I want is one day to be able to put in my restored DVD, turn off the lights, grab the popcorn, and go home again. Simple. Savvy? Cool." When George doesn't provide, the fans create. Anyone know of any other genre where this type of fan preservation is taking place? PeterALopez From das at ubuibi.org Wed Apr 13 17:59:13 2005 From: das at ubuibi.org (das) Date: Wed Apr 13 17:59:19 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Star Wars : Fan Preservation : Deleted Magic/Legacy/WookieGroomer In-Reply-To: <19550472.1113435915307.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <19550472.1113435915307.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <425DC061.2010104@ubuibi.org> you sir, are a geek i'd suggest rumorians go here; http://www.baetzler.de/humor/annoy_swf.html oh and a happy detritus day !! -To date I've bought Star Wars on VHS 3 times, Laserdisc twice, and DVD once. PeterALopez wrote: >As the Star Wars movies came back (and Lucas continued to fiddle with the Original Trilogy) and technology improved, the fans took it upon themselves to create DVDs of things Lucasfilm has neglected to pay attention to. The fans also decided to save the movies in the way they remembered seeing them. (Star Wars Preservation (some of the notables are TR47, Dr. Gonzo, MeBeJedi, ISOMIX)) > >Beside the many fan recreations of the Original Trilogy (which Lucasfilm has said they will never officially release), there are also those who view the available material in a different light. One which stands out is a not for profit fan DVD called "Deleted Magic". > >http://www.starwarz.com/deletedmagic/ >"Deleted scenes. Alternate footage. A look behind the scenes at what didn't make it to the final cut of the Star Wars trilogy." > >It's a fascinating journey which helps explain how Star Wars came to be Star Wars and shows glimpse of where it could have gone. Deleted Magic takes the discarded to make a presentation which explains alot of the important behind the scene footage which almost made it into Star Wars. > > >Other notable Star Wars fan creations: >MagnoliaFan Re-edits / The Phantom Edit/(ors) - These reshaped the new Star Wars films (The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones) to fit a sensability more inline (some feel) with the Original Trilogy. For instance, aliens speak another language, and thus need subtitles. Also other unsightly aspects of the Prequel Trilogy have been removed or lessened. (ie Jar Jar) > >WookieGroomer Splits 2004/1977 (1981, 1983) - Another not for profit production which allows for easy comparing and contrasting of the Original Trilogy (showcased by the magnificent TR47 version) and the 2004 DVD release. (when new scenes are added or removed the other version goes blank) > >Star Wars Legacy - http://www.starwarslegacy.com/ - In an effort to supplant the TR47 SW:OT preservation, is the SW:Legacy restoration. Documented in detail, this website provides step by step explanation, showcasing the results of the most extreme fan recreation to date. The results have been so spectacular, that it will most likely only be seen by it's creator. > >from the FAQ: > >"Is this LEGAL?! >To date I've bought Star Wars on VHS 3 times, Laserdisc twice, and DVD once. When you buy these movies, you can do anything you want with/to them. You can use them as frisbees, or you can capture them into your computer and take Boba-freaking-Fett the f#@* out of Star Wars. > >What you CAN'T do, is sell such altered versions (bootlegging) or exhibit them commercially. > >I don't hate George Lucas, I just hate what he's done to these movies. I got tired of bitching about it on message boards, so I decided to do something about it. All I want is one day to be able to put in my restored DVD, turn off the lights, grab the popcorn, and go home again. Simple. Savvy? Cool." > >When George doesn't provide, the fans create. > >Anyone know of any other genre where this type of fan preservation is taking place? >PeterALopez > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > > From postalscale at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 14:25:10 2005 From: postalscale at yahoo.com (Paul Smith) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:25:56 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Star Wars : Fan Preservation : Deleted Magic/Legacy/WookieGroomer In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414212511.63231.qmail@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > When George doesn't provide, the fans create. > > Anyone know of any other genre where this type of > fan preservation is taking place? > PeterALopez > The only thing that leaps to mind would be the stacks of "Thyla" fiction [Kirk and Spock getting it on] blossoming from Star Trek. http://www.thyla.com/ I suppose an enterprising [pun intended] video artist could make movie versions of some of those stories easily enough, since there is so much raw material to use. Certum est quia impossibile est __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From nakedrabbit at earthlink.net Thu Apr 14 15:54:21 2005 From: nakedrabbit at earthlink.net (Tim Maloney) Date: Fri Apr 15 01:50:28 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Star Wars : Fan Preservation : Deleted Magic/Legacy/WookieGroomer In-Reply-To: <20050414212511.63231.qmail@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050414212511.63231.qmail@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all, back from Europe. Anything happen while I was gone? On Apr 14, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Paul Smith wrote: > I suppose an enterprising [pun intended] video artist > could make movie versions of some of those stories > easily enough, since there is so much raw material to > use. > I have seen such video - mostly just K/S cut together os they look like they are gazing at each lovingly while sappy music plays - you know, old Journey songs, that kind of thing. And that starwarz site does seem to be a gateway of the very very very fanatic with too much time on their hands... > Naked Rabbit - P.O. Box 36673 - LA - CA - 90036 - http://www.nakedrabbit.com From pl1x at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 04:19:44 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Thu Apr 21 12:19:59 2005 Subject: [Rumori] N.W.A. - Explicit Content Only Version Message-ID: <16739857.1113909585081.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> http://www.ni9e.com/ "This is the entire N.W.A. Straight Outta Compton album edited down into just the "explicit" content." via: boingboing.net/metafilter.com and it was that album's "explicit content" which gave rise to the censoring of the public airwaves, documented here: http://noneinc.com/sound/Webpages/FDPC/ http://www.noneinc.com/sound/FadDeserter/FadDeserter-PreCensoredForYourAudioEnjoyment.mp3 PeterALopez From steev at detritus.net Wed Apr 20 17:33:37 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Thu Apr 21 12:22:28 2005 Subject: [Rumori] testing Message-ID: hmm.. tap tap... is this thing on? Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Trying to be sincere robs sincerity of itself." -Kenneth Gergen, The Saturated Self ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ddixon at wi.rr.com Thu Apr 21 12:43:49 2005 From: ddixon at wi.rr.com (David Dixon) Date: Thu Apr 21 12:44:07 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Tweedy/Lessig event Message-ID: <00fd01c546aa$7284af10$6eda1e41@brw0901> On April 7, Jeff Tweedy of Wilco and Lawrence Lessig got together for an event called, "Who Owns Culture?", at the New York Public Library. The audio from this event has just been posted: http://www.campusprogress.org/features/228/art-is-not-a-loaf-of-bread To help spread out the bandwidth, I'm hosting a torrent of the audio (43 MB, 93 minutes). http://stark-effect.com/whoownsMP3.torrent It's well worth listening to-- insightful, provocative, and often really funny. You can read a complete description of it at the first link above. D^2 Webmaster of Puppets, Beatallica (http://beatallica.org) Stark Effect (http://stark-effect.com) From pl1x at earthlink.net Thu Apr 21 16:13:47 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Thu Apr 21 16:15:35 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Copyright Torrent : Debate - EFF, MPAA, RIAA and many many more Message-ID: <16781957.1114125227853.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> via: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/18/copyfight_debate_of_.html "Copyfight debate of the century video and audio torrents Last week's Cornell Debate between EFF senior IP attorney Fred Von Lohmann, copyfighting media studies prof Siva Vaidhyanathan, and counsel from the MPAA, RIAA, Napster 2 and Universal was astounding, the most engrossing three hours of video I've watched all month." http://mininova.org/get/30833/cornell-copyfight-debate.mkv.torrent 1.2 Gigs - 3+ hours http://mininova.org/get/31015/cornell-copyfight-debate.ogg.torrent Don't know Selected clips will be posted as a torrent, check: http://headlesschicken.ca/eng204/media/ for more information. (they have some quotes typed up) From pl1x at earthlink.net Fri Apr 22 03:38:37 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Fri Apr 22 16:40:58 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Superman II Fan Edit : WB Take Down Message-ID: <31886006.1114166317946.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Aren't public airwave broadcasts fair game? via: http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/daily_planet/news/index.shtml The Entertainment Weekly blurb Superman II: take 2 A fan of the original gets his hands on the action. On the eve of a new Superman movie, is it too late to tinker with an old one? Long story short: in 1977, director Richard Donner began filming Superman and Superman II simultaneously, but after the first film premiered, Donner was let go. New director Richard Lester used some of Donner's scenes for the 1981 sequel - in which Zod and his gang of evil ABBA rejects try to take over the earth - but the movie infuriated fans, who demanded Donner's vision be restored. Which is kind of was, in the 80's, when Warner Brothers put together an extended international TV version containing extra Donner footage. Now - thanks to a team led by a man who refused to reveal his true identity to EW - that broadcast has been reconstructed from videotapes (collected from fans world-wide) and packaged into "Restored International Cut," a DVD available for free through Superman Cinema (www.supermancinema.co.uk). "It's not about me, it's about the film," the remastering bandit told us. "When you get down to it's core, it had a great story that even Richard Lester couldn't screw up." But isn't this whole thing sort of, you know, illegal? "It's a violation of our copyright," responds an attorney for Warner Bros. Another Warner rep adds, "Warner Home Video is known for listening to it's fans. But taking somebody's property and doing what you want to it and giving it away is not the way to go." No arguments from our mystery man. "We would all prefer to pay and get the footage properly," he says. "I'm really asking them to make my project obsolete." (Website Owner) Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to preview the piece because I think there's an error in the article. Warner Bros. didn't put together the TV version, it was the Salkind company who offered the TV edit. To own a movie is a privilege, I don't want to come across as a fanboy who thinks I'm owed something but we need to be slightly aggressive to prove that there's a market for this product. I need to write more on this subject; I'll do that when I get some free time to compose an editorial. From ddixon at wi.rr.com Sun Apr 24 17:28:38 2005 From: ddixon at wi.rr.com (David Dixon) Date: Sun Apr 24 18:18:18 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Beatallica at Signal or Noise II Message-ID: <046f01c5492d$ba2bdd40$6eda1e41@brw0901> The audio for the Berkman Center conference, Signal or Noise II: Creative Revolution?, has just been made available online: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/sn My presentation, regarding Beatallica, is available here: http://beatallica.org/Beatallica_signalnoise.mp3 D^2 From steev at detritus.net Thu Apr 28 13:30:00 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Sat Apr 30 10:07:54 2005 Subject: [Rumori] the future of detritus Message-ID: hi all, I want to try to get a discussion going here about what to do with Detritus.net. For years now I have felt that the site has not been been fulfilling its potential, but i just dont have the time, energy, or inclination any more torealize that potential, at least all by myself. Ideally I would like to see Detritus.net, the site and the server that hosts it and other sites, become more of a collective, maintained and administered collaboratively by serveral webmaster types, editors, and "content providers".I want it to not be "mine" anymore. I want it to be controlled and run by the community it purposrts to serve. That is what i dream of, basically. what do you want? lets talk. where would you like to see Detritus go? whats the best thing about it? what has been missing? what is wrong? what are you interested in doing? Id like this discusison to take place on rumori. if youre on the detrivore list but not rumori and youd like to get involved with the converstaion, please join rumori. detrivores is an announce only list so dont try replying to that. instructions for joining rumori are on detritus.net/contact/rumori writing to you from an internet cafe in the hottest place i can remember ever being, El Estor, Guatemala, steev p.s. since i am travelling i wont be onlin eenough to be omnipresent in this discussion, if it develops, but don tlet that stop you from talking amongst yourselves. please!!! Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Disillusionment earlier is better." -Jon Leidecker ----------------------------------------------------------------- From das at ubuibi.org Sat Apr 30 12:00:39 2005 From: das at ubuibi.org (das) Date: Sun May 1 02:34:01 2005 Subject: [Rumori] the future of detritus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4273D5D7.8000309@ubuibi.org> no wonder you don't have time for detritus, traisping around Guatemala. i have always seen detritus as a closed collective anyway. Steev Hise wrote: >hi all, > >I want to try to get a discussion going here about what to do >with Detritus.net. For years now I have felt that the site has >not been been fulfilling its potential, but i just dont have the >time, energy, or inclination any more torealize that potential, >at least all by myself. > >Ideally I would like to see Detritus.net, the site and the server >that hosts it and other sites, become more of a collective, >maintained and administered collaboratively by serveral >webmaster types, editors, and "content providers".I want it to >not be "mine" anymore. I want it to be controlled and run by the >community it purposrts to serve. > >That is what i dream of, basically. what do you want? lets talk. >where would you like to see Detritus go? whats the best thing >about it? what has been missing? what is wrong? what are you >interested in doing? > >Id like this discusison to take place on rumori. if youre on the >detrivore list but not rumori and youd like to get involved with >the converstaion, please join rumori. detrivores is an announce >only list so dont try replying to that. instructions for joining >rumori are on >detritus.net/contact/rumori > >writing to you from an internet cafe in the hottest place i can >remember ever being, El Estor, Guatemala, > >steev > >p.s. since i am travelling i wont be onlin eenough to be >omnipresent in this discussion, if it develops, but don tlet that >stop you from talking amongst yourselves. please!!! > > >Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev >Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html >blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt >----------------------------------------------------------------- >"Disillusionment earlier is better." > -Jon Leidecker >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > >