From pl1x at earthlink.net Wed Feb 2 04:17:19 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Wed Feb 2 04:17:25 2005 Subject: [Rumori] %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning Message-ID: <27077103.1107346640142.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> As previously mentioned: http://detritus.net/blog/archives/000253.html Creative Commons with Wired Mag released a CD (http://creativecommons.org/wired/) and are now looking for reworkings of the sound from that CD. The words/sound file below is related to: http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/ccmixter/contrib/Wired/Chuck%20D%20-%20No%20Meaning%20No%20(feat.%20Fine%20Arts%20Militia).mp3 %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning (the Commercial Sampling License version) http://noneinc.com/sound/ %20&ChuckDwithFineArtsMilitia&PublicEnemy-Meaning.mp3 ReadMe: http://noneinc.com/sound/%20ReadMe/Meaning-ReadMe.txt The following is a response to Chuck D & Fine Art Militia's decision to license their creation "No Meaning No" under the Creative Commons Non-Commercial Sampling License. According to Wired Nov 2004 pg. 194: According to Chuck D, %20 plagarizes the following: "If you're taking bits of music and organizing them in a way that makes the result a distinctly personal creation, then I don't feel that you're infringing on copyright" So then what's the deal with the Non Commercial Sampling licensing deal? Or is the goal of this remix contest to create non distinctly personal creations.... Thus to protest the Fine Art of Sampling Contests: The Militia Mix "Sampling, Mashing, Sharing" (http://ccmixter.org/contests/militiamix), %20 has done the following sound file: %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning (the Commercial Sampling License version) Parts: 01. (00:00-00:17) = Let's Just Say; No's Intro 02. (00:17-00:50) = CD's Contracted Consumer(+Plus) Explanation 03. (00:50-03:05) = Meaning (No's Eliminatory Reversal of Fortune) 04. (03:05-04:27) = (Going) 'BACK' (Rhymplundsamplin' with the Chuck) 05. (04:27-04:39) = Bought/Brought Noise Interlude +Boing+ 06. (04:39-05:01) = Caught!? I'm my only witness... 07. (05:01-05:52) = Xeroxed Criminal Claims (Rip.Sample.Mash.Copy.Plunder.Lawyer.Litigate.Decision.L0053r) 08. (05:52-06:42) = Message from Allen Harry (Economic Securities of the First World Fortune Lecture) 09. (06:42-07:30) = Fear of an Economically Centered Decision Making Planet 10. (07:30-08:44) = Realizations All Around (Understand?) 11. (08:44-09:44) = Yo! Welcome to the Message to the Rebel Prophet Party Shutting Down the Channel Zero Night of Chaos Hype 12. (09:44-10:14) = Summary Explanation of the Culture of No's Meaning -Personal Determinism- ///./w////future plans/../:/// The point being why promote the licensed prohibition of monetary transfer for creative works, by an individual who's life arguable gained from the same monetary transfer with works which contained creative reuse, ie sampling. So the offending two letters ("the easiest and hardest word to say"), and their similar licensing counterparts, we're removed to provide an accurate reflection of the worlds activities and then to reemphasize and to help Chuck D understand. Sometimes to understand you need to hear the words come from your own mouth. Thus Chuck D's prior works we're re'd (reinvestigated/reinterpreted/recontextualized/retardified) to show how his past actions don't reflect his current choice of licensing, but time provides us with knowledge to change our opinions. Issues Up For Discussion: How does the Creative Commons Licensing scheme and legal decisions deal with individuals who violate their directives and could those creations still be protected by different countries copyright regulations. (ex. US's Fair Use claim) Creations using material designated using a Creative Commons Licensing which prohibits economic compensation yet reused for a creation dedicated to the Public Domain, ends up where? Yours in profit, %20 Consumer Whore Corporate Shill Wannabee Cultural Chimera Part time music fan more info like lyrics, and stuff: http://noneinc.com/sound/%20ReadMe/Meaning-ReadMe.txt From steev at detritus.net Wed Feb 2 08:31:51 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (steev@detritus.net) Date: Wed Feb 2 08:32:00 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: Former Actor Awarded Millions for Use of his Photo Message-ID: (( Detritus Update: Former Actor Awarded Millions for Use of his Photo )) February 02, 2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://detritus.net/blog/archives/000297.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A man who suddenly noticed after 18 years that a photo taken of him is on an instant coffee label has sued Nestle USA and won millions of dollars. -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.661 http://www.movabletype.org/ From steev at detritus.net Wed Feb 2 08:47:37 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Wed Feb 2 08:47:40 2005 Subject: [Rumori] %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning In-Reply-To: <27077103.1107346640142.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Very interesting, Peter. I've felt some ambivalence about the CC non-commercial sampling license myself, though never articulated as well as you have. Aren't the sampling licenses the ones that Negativland helped to craft? I wonder what the history is of making the distinction of the commercial and non-commercial? and what indeed does commercial mean? If I'm a DJ that gets paid by a club to spin and I re-use Chuck's mix, is that commercial? I'm sure we could think of other interesting borderline cases. The thing about our culture, sadly, is that you're largely invisible unless you're selling what you do. The non-commercial license might be dubbed the 'stay in your bedroom' license. I think you should start taking money for it. I wonder what lawyers would say about this? If you start selling it, does your re'd track "infringe" on Chuck's CC license? Larry Lessig, hello? The track itself is quite nice, by the way. I love the sample "we're not gonna let you in unless you play by our rules." cheers, smh Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev my blog: http://steev.hise.org gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Art is revolution. Revolution is Art." -Jean Tinguely ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pl1x at earthlink.net Thu Feb 3 04:12:44 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Thu Feb 3 04:12:51 2005 Subject: [Rumori] %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning Message-ID: <6351873.1107432765778.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> The Creative Common licenses we???re initiated/fleshed out by Negativland from what I understand but they have been either dropped, ignored or forgotten in the mean time. (I ment to get more info on this from someone on Snuggles but I???ve misplaced my thoughts) This really irks me since recently Lessig had a CC year 2 party. Something he mentioned in the Wired lecture I bootlegged that he wouldn???t do again... You???re ???stay in your bedroom??? license analogy is apt it would seem. To gather attention for the licensing schemes they are offering one remixer the chance to be on the next Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia CD. In some ways though this seems that the Non-Commercial Sampling rights are no different then current Copyrights. Which is why we have ???Fair Use??? which revamps copyrights into copy privaledges. (I???ve been reading Siva???) but to play the game you have to put yourself at risk. I am taking profits from this release. Hense the tongue in cheek: ???Yours in Profit, %20??? a play on the common salutation ???Your in ???blank?????? but also ends up in a way meaning that all profits be his or whom ever claims prior authorship/ownership control. On selling violating the CC license, pragmatically yes, it's weather or not Fair Use can trump the cc licenses. and i would say yes to that. but i don't think a court setting would classify this type of commentary sound file F.U., it would be a change in their current patterns. they understand parody but not commentary. and my goals aren't to proove the licensing scheme to be worthless, it to remind Chuck of his roots and for him to be honest with himself and hopefully remind him which side got him to where he is now. The "we're not gonna let you in unless you play by our rules." was actually Chuck D talking about the industy from an EFF Radio stream, yet here he is support a new set of rules. Then he???s got the Wired Magazine quote. Chuck???s all over the place. Lopez From pl1x at earthlink.net Thu Feb 3 04:16:26 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Thu Feb 3 04:16:31 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Symposium: Making of Public Enemies : "It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back" Message-ID: <23985911.1107432987067.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> http://www.iaspm.net/pe.html The Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music Tisch School of the Arts, New York University in association with Scratch Magazine, NYU African Heritage Month, and Shocklee Entertainment presents THE MAKING OF PUBLIC ENEMY'S IT TAKES A NATION OF MILLIONS TO HOLD US BACK An in-depth discussion event on the making of hip-hop's greatest album FEBRUARY 25 & 26 2005 In 1988, Def Jam recording artists Public Enemy released their second album It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back to commercial and critical acclaim. Driven by controversial anthems like Bring The Noise and Don't Believe The Hype, Nation boldly inaugurated the era of political hip-hop, transforming MCs Chuck D and Flavor Flav into musical superstars. With confrontational, hard-hitting lyrics and aggressive, visionary sound, Nation is widely commemorated as the greatest hip-hop album of all time. On February 25 and 26, The Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music at NYU will assemble original PE band members, producers and engineers with members of the original Def Jam executive team and the nation's leading journalists for a series of panel discussions on the making of It Takes a Nation of Millions. If you're nostalgic for political music or old school hip-hop - or if you just want a behind-the-scenes glimpse at how great records are produced - don't miss this once-in-a-lifetime event. PARTICIPANTS Bill Adler, Harry Allen, Jon Caramanica, Jeff Chang, Robert Christgau, Lisa Cortes, Chuck D, Glen E. Friedman, Nelson George, Vivien Goldman, Kelly Haley, Dave Harrington, Rod Hui, Charlotte Hunter, Alan Light, John Leland, Steve Loeb, Chairman Mao, Nick Sansano, Chris Shaw, Hank Shocklee, Keith Shocklee, Biff Warren and SPECIAL GUESTS Produced by Jason King FRIDAY FEBRUARY 25 INTRODUCTION and FILM SCREENING - 6-7:30 pm PUBLIC ENEMY: LONDON CALLING A rare screening of an in-progress documentary film on Public Enemy's UK tours featuring new and archival footage, directed by Lathan Hodge (2005) CRITICS WEIGH IN - 7:45- 9:30 pm A panel of top journalists and critics take you back to 1988 to discuss the historical impact of Public Enemy and the musical legacy of "Nation of Millions" with Robert Christgau, Nelson George, Vivien Goldman, John Leland, Alan Light moderated by Jon Caramanica -------------------------- SATURDAY FEBRUARY 26 THE DEF JAM & RUSH ARTS TEAM - 12-1:30 pm Featuring members of the original creative staff behind the A&R, publicity, management and marketing of "Nation of Millions" and PE. with Bill Adler, Lisa Cortes, Charlotte Hunter, Biff Warren and others moderated by Kelly Haley ON HIP-HOP AND POLITICAL ACTIVISM: A CONVERSATION WITH GLEN E. FRIEDMAN and JEFF CHANG - 1:45-3:00 pm GLEN E. FRIEDMAN, author of Fuck You Heroes and The Idealist, photographed and designed the cover for "Nation of Millions" as well as P.E.'s first album. One of the most important photographers of his generation, he's also done definitive work with Black Flag, Ice-T, Fugazi, Beastie Boys, Minor Threat, Run-D.M.C, The original DogTown skateboarders, and many others. Acclaimed author and activist JEFF CHANG is the author of the new book Can't Stop Won't Stop: The History of the Hip Hop Generation. PRODUCING THE ALBUM - 3:30-5 pm Featuring the original engineers, Greene Street studio owners and members of the famous Bomb Squad production team with Dave Harrington, Rod Hui, Steve Loeb, NickSansano, Chris Shaw, Hank Shocklee, Keith Shocklee moderated by Chairman Mao REVOLUTIONARY VOICES - 6-8 pm Members of the group and special guests reflect on their experiences. with Chuck D and special guests moderated by Harry Allen All events are held at Tischman Auditorium, NYU 40 Washington Square South, between McDougal and Sullivan All events are free and open to the public Seating is first come first served Picture ID will be required to enter the building For more information please contact +1 (212) 992 8405 From ml at gondwanaland.com Thu Feb 3 11:37:57 2005 From: ml at gondwanaland.com (Mike Linksvayer) Date: Thu Feb 3 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [Rumori] %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning In-Reply-To: <6351873.1107432765778.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <6351873.1107432765778.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050203193757.GA26816@or.pair.com> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 07:12:44AM -0500, PeterALopez wrote: > The Creative Common licenses we???re initiated/fleshed out by > Negativland from what I understand but they have been either > dropped, ignored or forgotten in the mean time. (I ment to get > more info on this from someone on Snuggles but I???ve misplaced > my thoughts) This really irks me since recently Lessig had a CC > year 2 party. Something he mentioned in the Wired lecture I > bootlegged that he wouldn???t do again... In every talk I've heard about the sampling licenses, including at the recent CC party IIRC, Negativland's role in developing the licenses has been mentioned. > On selling violating the CC license, pragmatically yes, it's weather > or not Fair Use can trump the cc licenses. and i would say yes > to that. Every CC license has a clause like this one, copied from http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sampling+/1.0/legalcode : Fair Use Rights. Nothing in this license is intended to reduce, limit, or restrict any rights arising from fair use, first sale or other limitations on the exclusive rights of the copyright owner under copyright law or other applicable laws. My non-lawyerly understanding is that it shouldn't be possible for a copyright license to restrict fair use rights anyway, with or without such an explicit clause. Disclaimer: I work for CC in a non-legal capacity. -- Mike Linksvayer http://gondwanaland.com/ml/ From kembrew at kembrew.com Thu Feb 3 12:56:04 2005 From: kembrew at kembrew.com (kembrew mcleod) Date: Thu Feb 3 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [Rumori] %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning In-Reply-To: <20050203193757.GA26816@or.pair.com> References: <6351873.1107432765778.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <20050203193757.GA26816@or.pair.com> Message-ID: <04E44D48-7626-11D9-8FB2-000D932EDAAE@kembrew.com> > Fair Use Rights. Nothing in this license is intended to > reduce, limit, or restrict any rights arising from fair > use, first sale or other limitations on the exclusive rights > of the copyright owner under copyright law or other applicable > laws. > > My non-lawyerly understanding is that it shouldn't be possible for > a copyright license to restrict fair use rights anyway, with or > without such an explicit clause. this is my non-lawyerly understanding as well. k .................................. http://kembrew.com *************************** kembrew mcleod assistant professor department of communication studies university of iowa home contact info: 1037 e. washington st. iowa city, ia 52240 kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu 319-621-4620 "We are going to show a new side of him. The Hoff will surprise people with his rap skills." - Ice T, about David Hasselhoff's upcoming hip-hop album, which the rap veteran is producing. From pl1x at earthlink.net Fri Feb 4 16:25:03 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Fri Feb 4 16:25:21 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Help Save Tonic (NYC) Message-ID: <28245679.1107563104440.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> HELP SAVE TONIC! http://www.tonicnyc.com/ Since 1998 Tonic has been a haven for creative music. We have helped nurture the vital community of musicians and audiences who keep this music alive. Now we are in danger of closing and ask you to help us keep Tonic alive. Over the past few years we have suffered a series of blows: our rent has doubled since 1998, our insurance costs have tripled, we???ve been robbed, and we???ve been plagued by the expense of maintaining a building in ill repair ??? including the collapse of our main sewer line. Any of these things would be challenging on their own but together they???ve taken a more serious toll and we are now facing the threat of eviction. Seen many great rumori-ish shows there Wobbly, PLU, ECC, Hosler/Marclay (Illegal Art), Kid606, Donna Summer, Girl Talk.... PeterALopez From pl1x at earthlink.net Sat Feb 5 13:49:37 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Sat Feb 5 13:49:51 2005 Subject: [Rumori] %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning Message-ID: <2552570.1107640178046.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> r(h)e:+0r!C4l Sorry bout the rest of this, i'm suffering from re:postpart'mcreation depression. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Linksvayer Subject: Re: [Rumori] %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 07:12:44AM -0500, PeterALopez wrote: > The Creative Common licenses we???re initiated/fleshed out by > Negativland from what I understand In every talk I've heard about the sampling licenses, including at the recent CC party IIRC, Negativland's role in developing the licenses has been mentioned. PAL adds: What i heard was a third person account of an e-mail exchange. (this might have been part of that.. http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-sampling/2004-August/000286.html : tanks,technosuxxx) Maybe this is all my blurred reality bubbling, in the end nonsense. But this is a debate I???d rather place elsewhere. (is it just me or does anyone else have the glitch so that the word "meaning" is drifting every time there's another reply...) thanks for the legalese. The website covers it, so nothing really to discuss there. As a staff member, (i understand if you can't divulge secrets) but does the CC fear the proposition of creators ignoring the system? In some ways the system was set up to 'free' a certain type of creator who wouldn't normally attempt to create without the foreknowledge of having some protection for their creations, and that might be the goal, to reach out to a whole new level of creators. and thus for a final decision yeah yeah yeah, each example is it's own case. Is So do other people view this more as a critic of the merits of cc licenses or a critic of Chuck D's stance on the subject of copy privaledges? Is there any worth to pointing out Chuck's wavering beliefs. (speach vs. action) or general trivial waste of time, effort and energy *&%^^$ More and more this for me is an indightment of the culture. It was best summed up last year during a discussion with Kno of the Cuninglynguists (sp?) who did one of the initial Black album remixes. Discussion around the Grey album brought me to his message board where I posted my phuck up of the preeceedings. So after having my track message post removed, he then proceeded to rail upon people who make known where samples come from. The whole idea that it???s ok to do it but gosh darn tuuttin don???t talk about it, seems really counter productive. (but that???s viewing long term not short term, keeping quiet will keep you out of trouble) It was really refreshing to hear Steinski in the Some Assembly Required radio show (heard via Raiding the 20th Century) actually confront his contradiction with the system. So anyway for me it seems that Chuck is like Kno, actions and words differ. But in the end it???s my actions which go where people decide to take them. There are no licenses for people to rally behind a work. And all this shit was layed out years ago??? three cheers for re???petting a past societal failure. Is Chuck the best ambassador? or just stick with the assumption that Chuck is beloved by both camps to that's the best for both worlds. While i get things off my mind, ignoring a statement from the beginning of this E-bs. To re: 'Do the Right Thing' "Why are there no samplers on the CD?" CC had Negativland in hand and they make no appearance. Are things really that bad that we don't want to offend any organizations with the first public use of the licensing schemes? I must be over questioning the scope of the content on the cd. Obviously i'm too far gone into the reuse to provide a moderate response. who else was left off? Psychoanalysing %20, I would say this is all growing out of my repeted actions to investigate my idols then find fault. This ain???t the first and well blah i'm not the target audience. So is the track too noisey/incoherent to pay attention too? (just nod yr head) Only you can make me profitable. And fight forest fires. PeterALopez > On selling violating the CC license, pragmatically yes, it's weather > or not Fair Use can trump the cc licenses. and i would say yes > to that. Every CC license has a clause like this one, copied from http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sampling+/1.0/legalcode : Fair Use Rights. Nothing in this license is intended to reduce, limit, or restrict any rights arising from fair use, first sale or other limitations on the exclusive rights of the copyright owner under copyright law or other applicable laws. My non-lawyerly understanding is that it shouldn't be possible for a copyright license to restrict fair use rights anyway, with or without such an explicit clause. -- Mike Linksvayer http://gondwanaland.com/ml/ From lukecollison at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 16:41:41 2005 From: lukecollison at gmail.com (Luke Collison) Date: Sat Feb 5 17:41:46 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Ministry of Shit online. Message-ID: <59b20b090502051641bfcec5@mail.gmail.com> download the whole album in all its mangled bastardized pop glory. http://lukecollison.com/mos/ featuring: Wobbly, Toecutter, Dsico, Kevin Blechdom, Knifhandchop, V/VM, Mark N, Skkatter and more.. From kembrew at kembrew.com Wed Feb 9 10:05:47 2005 From: kembrew at kembrew.com (kembrew mcleod) Date: Wed Feb 9 10:07:05 2005 Subject: [Rumori] bonham drum outtakes Message-ID: <39393019-7AC5-11D9-9689-000D932EDAAE@kembrew.com> these are great... > yow --?newly-surfaced john bonham drum outtakes from the "in through > the out door" sessions.? almost better than the album itself.?? and > you can hear everything, right down to the squeaky pedal.? that's the > stuff, lads. > ? > http://www.disndat.info/bonham/ > ? > .................................. http://kembrew.com *************************** kembrew mcleod assistant professor department of communication studies university of iowa home contact info: 1037 e. washington st. iowa city, ia 52240 kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu 319-621-4620 "We are going to show a new side of him. The Hoff will surprise people with his rap skills." - Ice T, about David Hasselhoff's upcoming hip-hop album, which the rap veteran is producing. From morakanabad at yahoo.ca Fri Feb 11 03:34:02 2005 From: morakanabad at yahoo.ca (Taylor McLaren) Date: Fri Feb 11 04:32:39 2005 Subject: [Rumori] It puts the lotion on its skin. Message-ID: <679f66082e2beceef31b965474c12522@yahoo.ca> http://www.greenskeepersmusic.com/lotionhigh.mov A minor effort in the re-use wars, but an entertaining one. Apologies if the connected among you have already seen it a million times over. From pl1x at earthlink.net Fri Feb 11 18:15:21 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Fri Feb 11 18:15:31 2005 Subject: [Rumori] It puts the lotion on its skin. Message-ID: <6212859.1108174521205.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> For those (like me) who didn't know the re-use aspect of the video, here's a decent explanation: http://dancemusic.about.com/od/artistshomepages/a/GreenskeepersSi.htm http://www.greenskeepersmusic.com/lotionhigh.mov A minor effort in the re-use wars, but an entertaining one. Apologies if the connected among you have already seen it a million times over. From steev at detritus.net Sun Feb 13 10:51:58 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Sun Feb 13 10:52:02 2005 Subject: [Rumori] It puts the lotion on its skin. In-Reply-To: <6212859.1108174521205.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: on Fri, 11 Feb 2005 PeterALopez told me: ->For those (like me) who didn't know the re-use aspect of the video, here's a decent explanation: ->http://dancemusic.about.com/od/artistshomepages/a/GreenskeepersSi.htm -> -> ->http://www.greenskeepersmusic.com/lotionhigh.mov -> A minor effort in the re-use wars, but an entertaining one. Apologies if the connected among you have already seen it a million times over. It took me till the 2nd chorus or so to realize it's from Silence of the Lambs. The interesting thing, psychologically, i guess, is that the video was really disturbing even before I got what the source was, but it became even more so after. I almost couldnt finish it. Maybe it's because setting it to the rather ordinary and glammy song conjured up associations between pop-stardom and violent psychopaths. (the murderer, when singing and dancing in the video, reminds me somewhat of Def Leppard's singer, or a million other blond androgynous rock idols) Interesting also how the article above doesnt mention at all any legal problems over the video. Thanx Taylor for giving me the heebie-jeebies all over again. Haven't thought about that film (which is one of the only horror films i've ever liked) in several years. smh Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev my blog: http://steev.hise.org gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Spectators do not find what they desire: they desire what they find." -Guy Debord, 'Refutations...' ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pl1x at earthlink.net Sun Feb 13 12:41:35 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Sun Feb 13 12:41:42 2005 Subject: [Rumori] %20 & Chuck D with Fine Arts Militia & Public Enemy - Meaning Message-ID: <31815958.1108327295823.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> The following message is being sent at the request of Hardgroove of http://www.fineartsmilitia.com/ : Greetings Peter This letter is intended to address your concerns about the ???Militia Mix Contest??? and the license under which FAM participated. I will attempt to explain it with brevity and clarity. Chuck D is a founding member of FAM, along with myself. The business of FAM is my responsibility exclusively. The decision to participate in the contest is my decision. The license was chosen only after addressing the concerns of all involved (creative as well as business). I???m not writing this to explain or justify the viewpoints of anyone involved in the process, I???m writing to let you know that your criticism of Chuck is unjust in this matter. To his credit he participates in FAM as a team player, knowing full well that this sort of misunderstanding can happen. Peter, I hope I???ve shed some light on your concern. I hope that you will post this email in the same places that you posted your critiques. Best regards, Hardgroove From david at locarecords.com Mon Feb 14 03:57:23 2005 From: david at locarecords.com (David) Date: Mon Feb 14 03:57:26 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Ward - CC Album Message-ID: <966FE3D4-7E7F-11D9-9C4D-000A95B8FFFA@locarecords.com> WARD RELEASE: Title: Ward ? ?It might be useful for us to know? (Loca Records) Release Date: 17th April 2005 Taster video at: http://www.locarecords.com/video/WARD-GeneratingCivilSociety.mov License: Released under Creative Commons Attribution-Share-alike BACKGROUND You don't approach a record as a closed book that you have to take or leave. There are always cuts that leave you cold. So you skip them. Other cuts you may listen to over and over again. They follow you. You find yourself humming them under your breath as you go about your daily business. Deleuze and Guatarri. A Thousand Plateaus. This is not an easy album - it could not be otherwise. All the tracks tell a story, from the shifting melody of Generating Civil Society, to the beautiful acoustic randomness of It Will Be Obvious To Everyone. Everything is turned upside down, inside out and stretched beyond expectation. But within each track lies a captivating beauty, a pearl waiting to be found by each of us, demonstrated most clearly by Armonica or Something - a track that rediscovers a forgotten musical instrument, the Armonica, invented by Benjamin Franklin in the 1700s. In it?s time a controversial instrument that "Many [physicians thought] the sharp penetrating tone runs like a spark through the entire nervous system, forcibly shaking it up and causing nervous disorders?. Illness began to be blamed on the instrument, as well as marital unhappiness, premature birth, and convulsions in cats and dogs, it fell into disrepute. In some German states it was banned by police decree, ?on account of injury to one's health and for the sake of public order?. In many ways it is the perfect instrument for this album. In this album, Ward are giving us music with which to describe and analyze the schizophrenic experience. Like the Armonica, they would like to see the album contribute to a new thinking, a new listening. But the new is easily misdiagnosed. Ward?s music is difficult to experience, but its novelty is necessary if we are to understand what is happening to us now and what we are doing to make happenings. When a world view dies, the terms that define and analyze it also die, even though they live on through inertia, custom, unthought. Ward?s music bears witness that the two musicians feel the death of the pre-postmodern world view; their ambition is to give us the music to begin to know what has been happening. In one sense, it has not been happening until we use music to say what has been happening. Each track is a plateau of experience - the album a thousand plateaus of variation that places variables of content and expression in continuity. Songs slide in relation to one another. Themes are perpetually folding and unfolding. Instruments pass into one another, communicating. The album opens to chaos, threatening exhaustion or intrusion. It is kept from chaos by rhythm. A single intensity meant to be listened to, sometimes once, others more. Some tracks you will like and play again, some you will not. But, Ward hope that you will find something that you can keep with you. Track Listing 1. Akilium Trow 2. Generating Civil Society 3. They're all mental - Cotillion at Olympus Mons 4. Chunky Whole Nuts 5. We is confident that you is capable 6. Please do not walk on the lawn in the Front Quad 7. SuperMackerel Noodles 8. It will be obvious to everyone... 9. Activity from the Head of His 10. De Fernius 11. Armonica or Something 12. Perhaps I won't make a police dog 13. Glass Rotation Insult LOCAIX (LOCA009) Experimental Electronica http://www.locarecords.com From david at locarecords.com Mon Feb 14 03:05:42 2005 From: david at locarecords.com (David) Date: Mon Feb 14 04:13:01 2005 Subject: [Rumori] New Ward Album Message-ID: <5E21B3BA-7E78-11D9-9C4D-000A95B8FFFA@locarecords.com> WARD RELEASE: Title: Ward ? ?It might be useful for us to know? (Loca Records) Release Date: 17th April 2005 Taster video at: http://www.locarecords.com/video/WARD-GeneratingCivilSociety.mov License: Released under Creative Commons Attribution-Share-alike BACKGROUND You don't approach a record as a closed book that you have to take or leave. There are always cuts that leave you cold. So you skip them. Other cuts you may listen to over and over again. They follow you. You find yourself humming them under your breath as you go about your daily business. Deleuze and Guatarri. A Thousand Plateaus. This is not an easy album - it could not be otherwise. All the tracks tell a story, from the shifting melody of Generating Civil Society, to the beautiful acoustic randomness of It Will Be Obvious To Everyone. Everything is turned upside down, inside out and stretched beyond expectation. But within each track lies a captivating beauty, a pearl waiting to be found by each of us, demonstrated most clearly by Armonica or Something - a track that rediscovers a forgotten musical instrument, the Armonica, invented by Benjamin Franklin in the 1700s. In it?s time a controversial instrument that "Many [physicians thought] the sharp penetrating tone runs like a spark through the entire nervous system, forcibly shaking it up and causing nervous disorders?. Illness began to be blamed on the instrument, as well as marital unhappiness, premature birth, and convulsions in cats and dogs, it fell into disrepute. In some German states it was banned by police decree, ?on account of injury to one's health and for the sake of public order?. In many ways it is the perfect instrument for this album. In this album, Ward are giving us music with which to describe and analyze the schizophrenic experience. Like the Armonica, they would like to see the album contribute to a new thinking, a new listening. But the new is easily misdiagnosed. Ward?s music is difficult to experience, but its novelty is necessary if we are to understand what is happening to us now and what we are doing to make happenings. When a world view dies, the terms that define and analyze it also die, even though they live on through inertia, custom, unthought. Ward?s music bears witness that the two musicians feel the death of the pre-postmodern world view; their ambition is to give us the music to begin to know what has been happening. In one sense, it has not been happening until we use music to say what has been happening. Each track is a plateau of experience - the album a thousand plateaus of variation that places variables of content and expression in continuity. Songs slide in relation to one another. Themes are perpetually folding and unfolding. Instruments pass into one another, communicating. The album opens to chaos, threatening exhaustion or intrusion. It is kept from chaos by rhythm. A single intensity meant to be listened to, sometimes once, others more. Some tracks you will like and play again, some you will not. But, Ward hope that you will find something that you can keep with you. Track Listing 1. Akilium Trow 2. Generating Civil Society 3. They're all mental - Cotillion at Olympus Mons 4. Chunky Whole Nuts 5. We is confident that you is capable 6. Please do not walk on the lawn in the Front Quad 7. SuperMackerel Noodles 8. It will be obvious to everyone... 9. Activity from the Head of His 10. De Fernius 11. Armonica or Something 12. Perhaps I won't make a police dog 13. Glass Rotation Insult LOCAIX (LOCA009) Experimental Electronica Selected Comments and Reviews WARD - Static Caravan VAN64 Ward ?De Fernius? (Static Caravan). Last time we featured those Ward kids Richard and David was when they knocked us bandy with their debut Static release from about 18 months ago entitled ?Sesquipadelian Origins? and before you ask, no we haven?t a clue either but you can bet your life savings it doesn?t go well with chips and ketchup. Since that time they?ve squeezed out an album for Loca Records called ?It?s not necessarily your height it could be your feet? which we somehow missed but will no doubt add to our never ending wish list of releases we won?t sleep until we have. Again as with the Young Barons release another lathe cut clear vinyl polycarbonate thingummyjig type er?thing (huh and they say the art of the English language is going for a burden). Ward step in with two tracks of such contrasting calibre that you?ll either be gently lulled to sleep or frankly to scared witless to close both your eyes at the same time ever again. ?De Furnius? is creepy, in fact so creepy that we reckon it?ll ensure that you?ll be leaving on all the household lights and nervously checking behind doors, under beds and behind sofas. Casting an eerie eye; in fact the same eerie eye as those belonging to the one eyed alien invaders with a predilection (not) to influenza from War of the Worlds, sparse manipulated sounds are the order of the day, impossible to dance to we?ve tried believe it or not, though don?t be surprised if various electronic appliances start acting up strangely. If you want my honest opinion I swear its one of those pornographic sex lines for toasters but in binary code. Flip over and things get a little more playful on ?Armonica or Something? in fact so playful that you swear the Ward duo have discovered the enchanted land were all the old children?s TV themes go to when they?ve been discarded and forgotten. Amid the gentle scratchy toy box chimes the fleeting memories of Jamie and his Magic Torch, the Clangers, those surreal Charley Says adverts from the 70?s and a positive who?s who of BBC Radiophonic incidental pieces found lying around on the Tardis floor come out into the daylight for a spot of off ground tick. Very cute indeed and well worth annoying your local record emporium owner about. Losing Today Magazine WARD It?s not necessarily your height, it could be your feet Ward est l?arch?type du groupe difficile ? cerner, ? d?finir. Le duo se lance ici dans un travail visionnaire, m?langeant electronica, post rock et indus. Des guitares impr?visibles (comme sur les derni?res secondes de "?Just Back from holiday in Wales?") se nouent ? des voix perdues dans l?espace?; le tout, dispos? sur une bo?te ? rythmes (dont on sent la capacit? ? ?tre violente, mais qui garde cette violence en elle), dispos? sur un fond sonore bruitiste finalement tr?s r?aliste. Parce qu?un simple sample de man?ge ("Few words before of after"), de modem cherchant ? se connecter ? l?Internet ou de conversations t?l?phoniques remet les pieds sur terre. Des groupes comme Autechre ou Hood sont parfois sugg?r?s lointainement, mais le duo revendique son envie de cr?ation et d?exp?rimentation. Les bruits du quotidien impressionent par les images qu?ils annoncent, par le monde dans lequel ils plongent l?auditeur. Le c?t? indus est sugg?r? par touche fine?; on parlera de post indus ou de post electronica, ce qui ne signifie pas grand chose. Il faut se laisser porter par cet album, il faut lui laisser une confiance aveugle et voyager. Massive Beard rappelle Leftfield en plus r?che, en plus sinc?re, en bidouill?, en moins produit aussi. Chaque morceau est une aventure, une fresque h?ro?que. Ward n?a finalement rien ? voir avec les trois groupes cit?s dans cette chronique. Ward est un groupe qui a su faire partager son c?t? c?r?bral gr?ce au dressage des machines et ? une recherche sensorielle de tout premier rang. Rares sont les occasions de sentir son esprit d?cider de se scinder pour pouvoir voguer ? des endroits diff?rents dans le m?me espace temps?: les seules ?coutes de "?Sesquipedalian Origins?" ou "?Anatarbarus?" sauront ? coup s?r vous convaincre. 9/10 Soit dit en Passant Magazine WARD, Sesquipedalian Origins Record of the year 2002 A lengthy excursion into an underground world where the squid is king and syncopated beats really don?t hold that much weight. Record Collector Magazine Ward, Sesquipedalian Origins (Static Caravan) 7" Sensation: It?s the long-lost Satie/Reich collaboration, Three Minute Concerto For Solo Piano and Photocopier. Beguiling in its simplicity and uncompromising in its treatment of the listener, Sesquipedalian Origins sucks you in, reproduces your arse in grainy black and white and pins copies up all round your office. You will not be the same person after listening to this record twice. I guarantee it. Information: Blue Vinyl, 500 copies. Ward are Meme and Richard Williams of Calvados Beam Trio. www.staticcaravan.com Robots and Electronic Brains WARD - Static Caravan VAN36 I'd swear that the releases emitting from the sound laboratories of those Caravan boys and gals are neatly timed to within a heartbeat of each missives eventual appearance. Recently seen described on one website as abstract and experimental, the Ward boys, there being most definetely two of them, pop out their debut blue vinyl offering for the record decks delights. Admittedly not as poppy as previous Van releases vis a vis Fort Dax and ISAN, but nonetheless possessing enough cerebral pizzaz to earn it mucho brownie points. Ward lie somewhere in the outer regions of the so called chill epidemic currently sweeping the local multi conglomerate emporiums near you, instead of instilling a sense of calm theirs imbues a feeling of spookiness. 'Sesquipedalian Origins' which in a literal sense means the overuse of long and ponderous words, hey kids you learn something everyday, sounds oddly enough like a stapler being played in an echo chamber with a reflective piano coursing over the tops, more sinister than sensual. 'Calcium Taut Verdun' offers some strikingly magical moments, trippy lullaby like grace with melodies that seem to have an in built elegance about them that shifts curiously into a second movement where I swear someone is washing dishes against a very refined 'Sugar Plum Fairy' like symphony. Quite unnerving but altogether alluring. Available from Static Caravan Records Cat No Van 36. Losing Today Magazine Ward Discography 2001 VAN036 Sesquipedalian Origins Static Caravan 7" 2002 LOCA004 Its not necessarily your height it could be your feet Loca CD 2003 VAN064 Armonica or Something/De Fernius (Lathe Cut 7") Static Caravan 7" 2005 LOCA009 It Might Be Useful For Us To Know Loca CD http://www.locarecords.com From steev at detritus.net Tue Feb 15 10:32:10 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Tue Feb 15 10:32:16 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Pirating Napster! (fwd) Message-ID: i'm not that interested in piracy just for its own sake, but maybe some of you are. and it is kinda ironic (not post) and kinda funny. smh ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:01:44 -0600 From: Steve Libbey To: sweater@muted.org Subject: Pirating Napster! Oh, how post-ironic! http://blog.kordix.com/marv/archives/000400.html I think we could surely make this work. It's charmingly naughty, and slaps Napster's stupid policies right in the kisser. From lukecollison at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 20:07:24 2005 From: lukecollison at gmail.com (Luke Collison) Date: Tue Feb 15 20:07:31 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Ministry Of Shit - download Message-ID: <59b20b0905021520071d165d2b@mail.gmail.com> SPAS003: Ministry Of Shit 2003 Anus Is out of print due to legal hassles and other considerations so instead now its online for free. Bastard Pop & Plunderphonics from such stars as: Wobbly, Knifehandchop, Skkatter, Mark N, Toecutter, Dsico, Kevin Blechdom, Animal (V/VM Test), Girl Talk. http://lukecollison.com/mos/ Cheers Luke From tovhrizzia at yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 14:23:58 2005 From: tovhrizzia at yahoo.com (Santo DiPiazza) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:24:35 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings Message-ID: <20050216222358.73802.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know if this subject has been brought out before but are recordings from donated tapes found at thrift shops protected by copyright? If I found a tape that someone donated with sounds of him talking or whatever, could I "release" it as part of a found sound series? I was considering starting such a series but was uncertain about legalities or illegalities of doing that. -Rizzia __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owen_squier at yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 21:30:33 2005 From: owen_squier at yahoo.com (Squier) Date: Wed Feb 16 22:31:10 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <20050216222358.73802.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050217053034.95693.qmail@web30809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can't speak to the legality of this but a similar series has been released by an outfir known as Sounds from the Pocket. Their "Found Sound" series includes thrift store/answering machine tapes, record-your-own records, found open reel, record skips, etc. Vloumes one and two were fantastice, and I'm stoked to see, when I visit www.soundsfromthepocket.com that there's a volume three out!! YAY! SFTP's series "Microcassettor," dedicated to the art of the microcassette recorder is equally excellent. A film/video maker named Eric Sakd has done amazing work with similar material. A recent video, titled either DIRT or DUST uses thrift store answering machine recordings (the other uses scanned cell phones) and his COME TO SEE YA is about a half hour tape which uses consecutive recorings of some guy's friend who leaves message after message and gets more and more mad cuz the guy just isn't home. Great. Hilarious. Keep eyes peeled for this tape. (os) --- Santo DiPiazza wrote: > I don't know if this subject has been brought out > before but are recordings from donated tapes found > at > thrift shops protected by copyright? If I found a > tape > that someone donated with sounds of him talking or > whatever, could I "release" it as part of a found > sound series? I was considering starting such a > series but was uncertain about legalities or > illegalities of doing that. > > -Rizzia > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From lukecollison at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 13:03:38 2005 From: lukecollison at gmail.com (Luke Collison) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:04:19 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <20050217053034.95693.qmail@web30809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050216222358.73802.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> <20050217053034.95693.qmail@web30809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59b20b090502171303e61958c@mail.gmail.com> To legally release it you would need the permission of he author i believe. Whoever made the tape would own the copyright in the work. - speaking from a rudimentary understanding of copyright law. it seems like a similar situation as the Iridial Conet Project. but in their case as no organisation will admitt to broacasting the signal they can do it. On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:30:33 -0800 (PST), Squier wrote: > I can't speak to the legality of this but a similar > series has been released by an outfir known as Sounds > from the Pocket. Their "Found Sound" series includes > thrift store/answering machine tapes, record-your-own > records, found open reel, record skips, etc. Vloumes > one and two were fantastice, and I'm stoked to see, > when I visit www.soundsfromthepocket.com that there's > a volume three out!! YAY! > > SFTP's series "Microcassettor," dedicated to the art > of the microcassette recorder is equally excellent. > > A film/video maker named Eric Sakd has done amazing > work with similar material. A recent video, titled > either DIRT or DUST uses thrift store answering > machine recordings (the other uses scanned cell > phones) and his COME TO SEE YA is about a half hour > tape which uses consecutive recorings of some guy's > friend who leaves message after message and gets more > and more mad cuz the guy just isn't home. Great. > Hilarious. Keep eyes peeled for this tape. > > (os) > > > --- Santo DiPiazza wrote: > > > I don't know if this subject has been brought out > > before but are recordings from donated tapes found > > at > > thrift shops protected by copyright? If I found a > > tape > > that someone donated with sounds of him talking or > > whatever, could I "release" it as part of a found > > sound series? I was considering starting such a > > series but was uncertain about legalities or > > illegalities of doing that. > > > > -Rizzia > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rumori mailing list > > Rumori@detritus.net > > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > -- Luke Victor Collison http://www.lukecollison.com From lukecollison at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 13:03:38 2005 From: lukecollison at gmail.com (Luke Collison) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:04:55 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <20050217053034.95693.qmail@web30809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050216222358.73802.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> <20050217053034.95693.qmail@web30809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59b20b090502171303e61958c@mail.gmail.com> To legally release it you would need the permission of he author i believe. Whoever made the tape would own the copyright in the work. - speaking from a rudimentary understanding of copyright law. it seems like a similar situation as the Iridial Conet Project. but in their case as no organisation will admitt to broacasting the signal they can do it. On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:30:33 -0800 (PST), Squier wrote: > I can't speak to the legality of this but a similar > series has been released by an outfir known as Sounds > from the Pocket. Their "Found Sound" series includes > thrift store/answering machine tapes, record-your-own > records, found open reel, record skips, etc. Vloumes > one and two were fantastice, and I'm stoked to see, > when I visit www.soundsfromthepocket.com that there's > a volume three out!! YAY! > > SFTP's series "Microcassettor," dedicated to the art > of the microcassette recorder is equally excellent. > > A film/video maker named Eric Sakd has done amazing > work with similar material. A recent video, titled > either DIRT or DUST uses thrift store answering > machine recordings (the other uses scanned cell > phones) and his COME TO SEE YA is about a half hour > tape which uses consecutive recorings of some guy's > friend who leaves message after message and gets more > and more mad cuz the guy just isn't home. Great. > Hilarious. Keep eyes peeled for this tape. > > (os) > > > --- Santo DiPiazza wrote: > > > I don't know if this subject has been brought out > > before but are recordings from donated tapes found > > at > > thrift shops protected by copyright? If I found a > > tape > > that someone donated with sounds of him talking or > > whatever, could I "release" it as part of a found > > sound series? I was considering starting such a > > series but was uncertain about legalities or > > illegalities of doing that. > > > > -Rizzia > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rumori mailing list > > Rumori@detritus.net > > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > -- Luke Victor Collison http://www.lukecollison.com From ecc at pobox.com Thu Feb 17 12:50:25 2005 From: ecc at pobox.com (The Evolution Control Committee / tradeMark G.) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:37:01 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <20050216222358.73802.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050216222358.73802.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050217100506.04ddf340@cutlass.velocet.ca> At 02:23 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: >I don't know if this subject has been brought out >before but are recordings from donated tapes found at >thrift shops protected by copyright? If I found a tape >that someone donated with sounds of him talking or >whatever, could I "release" it as part of a found >sound series? I was considering starting such a >series but was uncertain about legalities or >illegalities of doing that. Having contemplated doing similarly with loads of great material found in the thrift piles, I've mulled over the issues a bit. As best I understand things, any (any!) recorded material is now -presumed- copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. Never mind the fact that it would be impossible for you to locate the "author" of the found work; never mind that the authors themselves gave away the master recordings to the thrift store (and hence, the public). The author didn't say-so, so it's a no-go. Now, let's talk about reality. How many copies ya gonna press of your proposed compilation? 300? 500? Maybe even 1,000? What are the chances any of those will reach someone that got included on it? Even if it happens, will they care? I've also thought that the chances of this happening are actually LOWER than random chance, because the type of person who would carelessly donate their answering machine cassette to the thrift store is sociologically not the kind of person that would buy and listen to a CD of found sounds for fun. In short, do it bubba. Compile it, put it out. Take the infinitesimally minor risk to share your finds and bestow joy upon those who would appreciate such niche entertainment. I'll buy one! - TradeMark G. P.S.: Anyone in Las Vegas or Kansas City? Your first chances to see The ECC live are coming up... details at: www.evolution-control.com From ddixon at wi.rr.com Thu Feb 17 13:22:53 2005 From: ddixon at wi.rr.com (David Dixon) Date: Thu Feb 17 13:57:22 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Beatallica C&D Message-ID: <010701c51536$d7ba3850$d2664c45@brw0901> Good hello, Stepping out of lurker mode for a second. Just thought you'd all like to know that it finally happened... Beatallica's received a cease-and-desist notice from Sony Publishing for doing parodies of Beatles songs. Read the notice here: http://beatallica.org/Beatallica_Cease_and_Desist.pdf The EFF has been notified, thanks to Xeni Jardin. We're meeting tonight to decide what to do next. D^2 http://www.stark-effect.com http://www.beatallica.org From srooney at ntet.net Thu Feb 17 13:25:19 2005 From: srooney at ntet.net (Sean Rooney) Date: Thu Feb 17 14:07:22 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <59b20b090502171303e61958c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050216222358.73802.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> <20050217053034.95693.qmail@web30809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59b20b090502171303e61958c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54126.216.104.211.5.1108675519.squirrel@216.104.211.5> >> phones) and his COME TO SEE YA is about a half hour >> tape which uses consecutive recorings of some guy's >> friend who leaves message after message and gets more >> and more mad cuz the guy just isn't home. Great. >> Hilarious. Keep eyes peeled for this tape. Sounds cool. Reminds me of one of my favorite uses of answering machine found sound -- the Papa M track "Crowd of One" where through a series of answering machine messages we get a window into a guy's life (his name's George) which is at first completely mundane but gradually gets more and more disturbing. Short (only like 4 mins or so), but great track, imo. /sean From pl1x at earthlink.net Thu Feb 17 14:41:12 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Thu Feb 17 14:41:29 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Beatallica C&D Message-ID: <13109810.1108680073260.JavaMail.root@donald.psp.pas.earthlink.net> All the notes he took at this conferences he's now using for noble purposes... http://www.cme.com.jm/conferences/ 2:00pm to 3:30pm You Have to Fight For Your Rights: Securing and collecting royalties What is the contractual and legal basis for songwriting, performance and production royalties? What is the role of collective administration agencies? These questions and others will be asked and answered in this panel discussion. Resource Persons: Mr. Andrew Sanders - ASCAP, USA ...errrrrr. PeterALopez -----Original Message----- From: David Dixon Subject: [Rumori] Beatallica C&D Good hello, Stepping out of lurker mode for a second. Just thought you'd all like to know that it finally happened... Beatallica's received a cease-and-desist notice from Sony Publishing for doing parodies of Beatles songs. Read the notice here: http://beatallica.org/Beatallica_Cease_and_Desist.pdf The EFF has been notified, thanks to Xeni Jardin. We're meeting tonight to decide what to do next. D^2 http://www.stark-effect.com http://www.beatallica.org _______________________________________________ Rumori mailing list Rumori@detritus.net http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From djbatman at olografix.org Thu Feb 17 13:45:53 2005 From: djbatman at olografix.org (Nicola Battista) Date: Thu Feb 17 15:09:07 2005 Subject: R: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <20050216222358.73802.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b601c5153a$0df56680$0300a8c0@DJBATMAN> My opinion: if the tape is a "master" ie doesnt contain copyrighted recordings from records or from the radio, for example, then by buying it from a thrift store you have technically acquired the master (i.e. the copyright on the recording... but provided that it was the only "master" copy of a certain tape). The only problem could arise when the content - even if home-recorded by some anonymous guy - has a copyrighted source. For example, a guy could be humming a copyrighted melody or reading a poem not in the public domain. I don't see particular problems with anonymous answering machine stuff but for example, in the past, using this type of source for samples on the old Mp3.com usually produced a case of rejected track... Nicola DjB From carrie at stayfreemagazine.org Thu Feb 17 16:11:29 2005 From: carrie at stayfreemagazine.org (Carrie McLaren) Date: Thu Feb 17 16:42:24 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Sony cease-and-desist to Beatallica Message-ID: Hi all, self-promotion alert: I just started a blog for my magazine, Stay Free. Here are a couple of recent posts: Sony is at it again http://stayfree.typepad.com/stayfree/2005/02/stay_free_daily.html Sony/ATV has sent a cease and desist notice to Beatallica for using Beatles songs without permission. Instead of going after the band and its label, Sony sent the notice to its internet service provider and demanded that the ISP (theplanet.com) remove all Beatallica music, news, and merchandise. This, incidentally, is the same tactic Sony used to try to get the Illegal Art Exhibit to remove DJ Dangermouse's Grey Album. (In fact, we only heard about the cease-and-desist through our ISP.) We were fortunate enough to have the EFF in our corner and so after switching to a free-speech ISP and writing a response, Sony backed down. But these guys have a tougher case. As of now, the music clips remain online. I haven't heard them yet but the Bittorent files are moving at a brisk pace; if we get approval, perhaps I'll add them to the Illegal Art Exhibit. Kembrew McLeod on copyright criminals http://stayfree.typepad.com/stayfree/2005/02/kembrew_mcleod_.html My buddy Kembrew McLeod has just published his book Freedom of Expression: Overzealous Copyright Bozos and Other Enemies of Creativity. (You may remember Kembrew for his brilliant part in the Illegal Art Exhibit; he trademarked the phrase "freedom of expression" and then threatened to sue AT&T for using it in an ad campaign. The book is filled with all kinds of curious stories about the copyright cartel; we'll be reprinting a short excerpt in the upcoming issue of Stay Free! magazine. But you don't have to wait for that; you can download the ENTIRE BOOK FREE (courtesy of a Creative Commons license) at Kembrew's website. Kembrew has also just finished a trailer for his documentary Copyright Criminals. The movie won't be out for a while, but check out the trailer for a surreal lineup of players: from Pete Rock to Matmos to Cibo Mato to Lawrence Lessig. (Yours truly also makes an appearance.) -- Carrie McLaren Editor, Stay F---! tel: 718 398 9324 www.stayfreemagazine.org www.illegal-art.org From ecc at pobox.com Fri Feb 18 08:35:30 2005 From: ecc at pobox.com (The Evolution Control Committee / tradeMark G.) Date: Fri Feb 18 10:21:58 2005 Subject: R: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <00b601c5153a$0df56680$0300a8c0@DJBATMAN> References: <20050216222358.73802.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> <00b601c5153a$0df56680$0300a8c0@DJBATMAN> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050218082622.03ed90d8@cutlass.velocet.ca> At 01:45 PM 2/17/2005, you wrote: >My opinion: if the tape is a "master" ie doesnt contain copyrighted >recordings from records or from the radio, for example, then by buying >it from a thrift store you have technically acquired the master (i.e. >the copyright on the recording... but provided that it was the only >"master" copy of a certain tape). Great point, and while that clears your mechanical rights, my understanding is that there still would be the issue of the performing/publishing rights (which is a concern because you're going to press CDs of the fnished work). I believe this is a concern regardless of whether the "author" has declared the recorded work as a "composition" or not. Not super-positive though... anyone? >The only problem could arise when the content - even if home-recorded by >some anonymous guy - has a copyrighted source. That's true of course. If they whistle even three notes of "It's A Small World After All", Disney will have a bag on your head and electrodes on your genitals before you can blink. Hey all, what's your fave releases of raw found sound? For me: Pea Hicks' "Lucas and Friends Discover a World of Sound" and maybe "One of One". A DJ pal of mine (Zombo - www.zomboworld.com) had a great cassette series back in the day called Amazing Thrift; I think it went up to like 30 volumes?? He lived in Canton, Ohio; low on culture, but high on thrifting possibilities. He milked it to the hilt. Think I'll contact him and see if I can't get him to let me release it online. - TradeMark G. From owen_squier at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 11:24:58 2005 From: owen_squier at yahoo.com (Squier) Date: Fri Feb 18 11:25:46 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20050217100506.04ddf340@cutlass.velocet.ca> Message-ID: <20050218192458.2313.qmail@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been wondering--has anyone known something like this to have actually happened? I'm certainly aware that there have been plenty of artists (music, film, etc) who have seen their material turn up in others' work but can anyone relate a story of someone completely outside whatever "scene" we're discusing finding his/her voice, lost/found photo/ home movie used in a stranger's artwork? I'd be interested to hear about these encounters. (I guess it could--does?--hapen in photogarphy (and tv) all the time. My favorite story involves that famous Diane Arbus photo of that dorky white kid holding a flag and wearing a pin reading "Bomb Hanoi". Accoring to her bio, she (or someone) got into a discussion of her big MoMA retro with a taxi driver in New York (at the time of the show). It turned out that the driver didn't really "get" the show but felt *honored* to have his image featured prominiently at the museum--yes: it was the same dorky kid, years later. So I've heard.) (os) > > Now, let's talk about reality. How many copies > ya gonna press of your > proposed compilation? 300? 500? Maybe even 1,000? > What are the chances > any of those will reach someone that got included on > it? Even if it > happens, will they care? I've also thought that the > chances of this > happening are actually LOWER than random chance, > because the type of person > who would carelessly donate their answering machine > cassette to the thrift > store is sociologically not the kind of person that > would buy and listen to > a CD of found sounds for fun. > > In short, do it bubba. Compile it, put it out. > Take the > infinitesimally minor risk to share your finds and > bestow joy upon those > who would appreciate such niche entertainment. I'll > buy one! > > - TradeMark G. > > P.S.: Anyone in Las Vegas or Kansas City? Your > first chances to see The > ECC live are coming up... details at: > www.evolution-control.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From ecc at pobox.com Fri Feb 18 12:34:01 2005 From: ecc at pobox.com (The Evolution Control Committee / tradeMark G.) Date: Fri Feb 18 12:34:16 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <20050218192458.2313.qmail@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.1.1.2.20050217100506.04ddf340@cutlass.velocet.ca> <20050218192458.2313.qmail@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050218115001.04a10190@cutlass.velocet.ca> At 11:24 AM 2/18/2005, you wrote: >I've been wondering--has anyone known something like >this to have actually happened? ... can anyone relate a story of someone >completely outside whatever "scene" we're discusing >finding his/her voice, lost/found photo/ home movie >used in a stranger's artwork? I'd be interested to >hear about these encounters. Me too. I can't think of many at all. One that comes to mind was the TAD album "*8-Way Santa"; which was withdrawn due to the cover art. I can't find much online about it but here's a descriptive blurb: >Produced by Butch Vig, 8-Way Santa ? which had to be withdrawn and >reissued after one of its inadvertent cover stars (whose photo was found >in a local thrift shop) took exception to being linked with the devil's >music ... Here's the pixellated cover, which links to the press release about the recall: http://www.subpop.com/history/tad/89.html ...and even with that case there are rumors that it was a staged PR ploy. One might argue that there are a few internet superstars that almost, but probably not quite, fit what we're talking about here. One that comes to mind is Mahir "I Kiss You!" Cagri, whose quirky, amateur web page of greetings spread virally throughout the netopolis and literally made him an international star in a matter of months if not weeks. That being the height of dot-com insta-riches, internet companies flew Cagri out from Turkey for special company event appearances all over the world. ( Cagri, by the way, is still kissing you at: http://www.ikissyou.org/ ) - TradeMark G. From djbatman at olografix.org Fri Feb 18 13:57:52 2005 From: djbatman at olografix.org (Nicola Battista) Date: Fri Feb 18 13:58:35 2005 Subject: R: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <20050218192458.2313.qmail@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010501c51604$e50a87c0$0300a8c0@DJBATMAN> Squier: >I've been wondering--has anyone known something like >this to have actually happened? I'm certainly aware >that there have been plenty of artists (music, film, >etc) who have seen their material turn up in others' >work but can anyone relate a story of someone ... hmm... I think I only know of artist-related stories, in a way... I have a couple of examples in electronic music; and another involving literature, a movie by Dario Argento's daughter... and my sister. 1) in 1997 I was looking for tracks for a compilation by a label called 1997 Now! ...the label wasted two years of my life without releasing the disc :/ ...by the way one of the artists I was in contact with for this comp was a dutch guy called Moonchild, who used to make synthetic instrumentals/new age stuff with spacey sounds. The guy was very scared about sending demos around... and at a certain point he told me this was because he had sent some of his tracks to a label, and someone at a certain point released this music under different titles and artist. 2) still during that period, I got a vinyl promo from Swedish artists Gizmo. At a certain point I even acquired all copies of a UK release for the same tracks, since their UK label had printed them already but then had stored them in a warehouse and cancelled the release. This also happened in 1997-98. In the following years that promo was sent to different places, and at a certain point 1997 Now! Sent it to Soul Trade, which was a potential music publisher to work with. Nothing was ever signed with Soul Trade, but in the meantime they had sent a promo to some agency working with tv commercials. 4 years later or so I think I heard a bit of that music in a Lysoform commercial. One of my friends also recognized the music. 1997 Now had disbanded and Soul Trade never got anything from that... and so the artists. Nobody knows how that music ended up in that commercial. 3) my sister (www.annabattista.net) is a writer, translator, literary agent; she once wrote a few stories centred about rave music, drugs, hallucinations/visions and stuff like that. One of these won a literary prize, mentioned Ketamine (Special K) i.e. a drug used for horses (or by people who really wanna get stoned bad...) and ended up with a mystic vision. A few years ago Asia Argento (actress/director and daughter or director Dario Argento) made a movie about an actress who fell in love with a singer (this is partially based on her true life) that mentioned drugs (particularly Ketamine at a certain point) and ended up also with a mystic vision. Now this would of course mean nothing to you, but the absurd bit was that the main character in the movie is named Anna Battista like my sister, and this combination of name and surname is not so frequent in Italy. Of course the Negativland in a Coke commercial (or better: a sample they took from a record actually STOLEN from a church) are a well known story in here. I don't remember if it was anyone from this list who, years ago, posted that a small bit from one of his tracks had surfaced in an officially released remix of a U2 track... without permission. Nicola DjB From djbatman at olografix.org Fri Feb 18 14:02:34 2005 From: djbatman at olografix.org (Nicola Battista) Date: Fri Feb 18 14:03:11 2005 Subject: R: R: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20050218082622.03ed90d8@cutlass.velocet.ca> Message-ID: <010601c51605$8d5bd320$0300a8c0@DJBATMAN> (trade)Mark G.: >Great point, and while that clears your mechanical rights, my >understanding is that there still would be the issue of the >performing/publishing rights (which is a concern because you're going to >press CDs of the fnished work). I believe this is a concern regardless of >whether the "author" has declared the recorded work as a "composition" or >not. Not super-positive though... anyone? Well, at least in some case probably the owner of the "master" is also the "performer"... of course when stuff like answering machine tapes is used, privacy-related issues might be considered together with "performance" issues... But I also agree with Mark saying that if you are releasing 300 or 500 copies of a disc, chances are that no one will notice that... DjB From kembrew at kembrew.com Fri Feb 18 14:05:58 2005 From: kembrew at kembrew.com (kembrew mcleod) Date: Fri Feb 18 14:07:20 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Interdisciplinary Intellectual Property Symposium at U of Iowa Message-ID: <44FB9B4B-81F9-11D9-B7BE-000D932EDAAE@kembrew.com> All events are free and open to the public, and although it's probably too late to come to The I.C. for next week's symposium, there are other major events happening on campus later in the semester. For a full list of events comprising the Semester of Intellectual Property, follow this link: http://www.uiowa.edu/%7Eporoi/SIP/index.htm Intellectual Property: An Interdisciplinary Conversation Sponsored by the Project on the Rhetoric of Inquiry (POROI) February 25, 2005, 9am-4:15pm College of Law, 4th Floor Student Lounge University of Iowa, Iowa City FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC This one-day symposium will bring together a diverse range of scholars and professionals who are interested in, or impacted by, intellectual property law. Aimed at a general audience and open to the public, the panels will consist of distinguished visiting speakers and members of the University of Iowa community. The purpose of this symposium ? which will be held in conjunction with a special issue of Cultural Studies co-edited UI Prof. Kembrew McLeod and Indiana University Prof. Ted Striphas ? is to help foster a meaningful and genuinely interdisciplinary confluence of scholarly research. In addition to panelists from across the University of Iowa, confirmed visiting panelists include keynote speaker Siva Vaidhyanathan (New York University, Department of Culture and Communication), Rebecca Eisenberg (University of Michigan Law School), Adrian Johns (University of Chicago, History), Eva Hemmungs Wirt?n (Uppsala University, Sweden), Sut Jhally (U Mass-Amherst, Communication Department and Executive Director of Media Education Foundation), Steve Jones (University of Illinois, Professor of Communication and Research Associate in the Electronic Visualization Laboratory), David Sanjek (Broadcast Music Incorporated Archives Director), Ted Striphas (Indiana University, Department of Communication and Culture), Gil Rodman (University of South Florida, Department of Communication), Paula Kaufman (U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, University Librarian), Nelson Pavlosky (Plaintiff in OPG v. Diebold), and John Wilbanks (Executive Director of Science Commons). SCHEDULE: Coffee & Cake Reception Opening comments by University of Iowa President David Skorton 9am ? 9:30am Panel: Open Sources, Open Access & The Commons 9:30 ? 11:00am What kinds of activities do intellectual property laws promote or prohibit in disciplines such as computer science, library science, genetic research, and other diverse areas of research? What are the contours of the public domain? Of those materials that are protected by intellectual property laws, how can we create a balance that both secures the interests of creators and promotes free inquiry? Kembrew McLeod (UI, Communication Studies & POROI) -Moderator Rebecca Eisenberg -University of Michigan Law School Bruce Wheaton -University of Iowa, Director, Technology & Innovation Center Jeff Murray -UI, Professor of Pediatrics, Biology, Dentistry and Preventative Medicine Nancy Baker -UI, University Librarian Alberto Segre -UI, Computer Science Adrian Johns -University of Chicago, History Eva Hemmungs Wirt?n -Uppsala University, Sweden Panel: Fair Uses 11:15am-12:45pm How does the fair use doctrine protect free speech in a multimedia age, and what are the limits of that protection? How does the fair use doctrine manifest itself within various professions and areas of the arts? How is the fair use doctrine shaped more generally? What are defensible uses for traditional materials, and how might recent laws alter the balance of power in digital mediums? Merrie Snell (UI, POROI Program Associate, Iowa Writer?s Workshop MFA) -Moderator Christina Bohannan -UI, College of Law Sut Jhally -UMass-Amherst, Communication Department and Executive Director of Media Education Foundation John Sorensen -Producer, PBS Pamela Trimpe -Curator, UI Museum of Art David Sanjek -Broadcast Music Incorporated Archives Director Nelson Pavlosky -Plaintiff in OPG v. Diebold Siva Vaidhyanathan -New York University, Department of Culture and Communication Lunch 12:45 ? 2:00pm Panel: The Promises and Perils of a Licensed World 2:00 ? 3:30pm What happens when we move from selling and buying traditional materials (CDs, print journal articles, etc.) to a system where things aren?t purchased, but licensed? How do Digital Rights Management schemes alter social practices that center around intellectual property (for instance, trading music, loaning books)? How can we create and manage licensing systems that can protect commercial interests, but also promote the transfer of knowledge in ways that stimulate innovation, disseminate knowledge, create public benefit, promote global health equity, and ensure reasonable access to important technologies? Mark D. Janis (UI, College of Law) -Moderator Paula Kaufman -U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, University Librarian Ted Striphas -Indiana University, Department of Communication and Culture Gil Rodman -University of South Florida, Department of Communication Steve Jones -University of Illinois, Professor of Communication and Research Associate in the Electronic Visualization Laboratory John Wilbanks -Executive Director of Science Commons Usha Balakrishnan -University of Iowa, Director of Corporate Partnerships Paul Greenough -Professor of History and of Community & Behavioral Health, Co-director, National Resource Center in International Studies, Crossing Borders and Global Health Studies Programs Keynote Lecture 3:30 ? 4:15 Siva Vaidhyanathan, New York University, Department of Culture and Communication ?Critical Information Studies: A Manifesto? .................................. http://kembrew.com *************************** kembrew mcleod assistant professor department of communication studies university of iowa home contact info: 1037 e. washington st. iowa city, ia 52240 kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu 319-621-4620 "We are going to show a new side of him. The Hoff will surprise people with his rap skills." - Ice T, about David Hasselhoff's upcoming hip-hop album, which the rap veteran is producing. From DSanjek at BMI.com Fri Feb 18 14:27:28 2005 From: DSanjek at BMI.com (Sanjek, David) Date: Fri Feb 18 15:13:31 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Interdisciplinary Intellectual Property Symposium at U ofIowa Message-ID: <7F04C94D716DC04B9469C8CFA96F24EF08AD08@NAMAIL04.bmi.org> Kembrew, I need to double-check with the plane ticket, but two questions: are we being met at the airport and should we keep receipts on our other transportation: I'm going to have to take a car from home on Thurs. and then a bus back to NYC on Saturday. Dave I'll be out at home on Monday, but in the office Tues.-Wed. Needless to say, tinkering with and fixing up the essay at home. Dave -----Original Message----- From: rumori-bounces@detritus.net [mailto:rumori-bounces@detritus.net] On Behalf Of kembrew mcleod Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:06 PM To: Detritus discussion list. Subject: [Rumori] Interdisciplinary Intellectual Property Symposium at U ofIowa All events are free and open to the public, and although it's probably too late to come to The I.C. for next week's symposium, there are other major events happening on campus later in the semester. For a full list of events comprising the Semester of Intellectual Property, follow this link: http://www.uiowa.edu/%7Eporoi/SIP/index.htm Intellectual Property: An Interdisciplinary Conversation Sponsored by the Project on the Rhetoric of Inquiry (POROI) February 25, 2005, 9am-4:15pm College of Law, 4th Floor Student Lounge University of Iowa, Iowa City FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC This one-day symposium will bring together a diverse range of scholars and professionals who are interested in, or impacted by, intellectual property law. Aimed at a general audience and open to the public, the panels will consist of distinguished visiting speakers and members of the University of Iowa community. The purpose of this symposium - which will be held in conjunction with a special issue of Cultural Studies co-edited UI Prof. Kembrew McLeod and Indiana University Prof. Ted Striphas - is to help foster a meaningful and genuinely interdisciplinary confluence of scholarly research. In addition to panelists from across the University of Iowa, confirmed visiting panelists include keynote speaker Siva Vaidhyanathan (New York University, Department of Culture and Communication), Rebecca Eisenberg (University of Michigan Law School), Adrian Johns (University of Chicago, History), Eva Hemmungs Wirt?n (Uppsala University, Sweden), Sut Jhally (U Mass-Amherst, Communication Department and Executive Director of Media Education Foundation), Steve Jones (University of Illinois, Professor of Communication and Research Associate in the Electronic Visualization Laboratory), David Sanjek (Broadcast Music Incorporated Archives Director), Ted Striphas (Indiana University, Department of Communication and Culture), Gil Rodman (University of South Florida, Department of Communication), Paula Kaufman (U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, University Librarian), Nelson Pavlosky (Plaintiff in OPG v. Diebold), and John Wilbanks (Executive Director of Science Commons). SCHEDULE: Coffee & Cake Reception Opening comments by University of Iowa President David Skorton 9am - 9:30am Panel: Open Sources, Open Access & The Commons 9:30 - 11:00am What kinds of activities do intellectual property laws promote or prohibit in disciplines such as computer science, library science, genetic research, and other diverse areas of research? What are the contours of the public domain? Of those materials that are protected by intellectual property laws, how can we create a balance that both secures the interests of creators and promotes free inquiry? Kembrew McLeod (UI, Communication Studies & POROI) -Moderator Rebecca Eisenberg -University of Michigan Law School Bruce Wheaton -University of Iowa, Director, Technology & Innovation Center Jeff Murray -UI, Professor of Pediatrics, Biology, Dentistry and Preventative Medicine Nancy Baker -UI, University Librarian Alberto Segre -UI, Computer Science Adrian Johns -University of Chicago, History Eva Hemmungs Wirt?n -Uppsala University, Sweden Panel: Fair Uses 11:15am-12:45pm How does the fair use doctrine protect free speech in a multimedia age, and what are the limits of that protection? How does the fair use doctrine manifest itself within various professions and areas of the arts? How is the fair use doctrine shaped more generally? What are defensible uses for traditional materials, and how might recent laws alter the balance of power in digital mediums? Merrie Snell (UI, POROI Program Associate, Iowa Writer's Workshop MFA) -Moderator Christina Bohannan -UI, College of Law Sut Jhally -UMass-Amherst, Communication Department and Executive Director of Media Education Foundation John Sorensen -Producer, PBS Pamela Trimpe -Curator, UI Museum of Art David Sanjek -Broadcast Music Incorporated Archives Director Nelson Pavlosky -Plaintiff in OPG v. Diebold Siva Vaidhyanathan -New York University, Department of Culture and Communication Lunch 12:45 - 2:00pm Panel: The Promises and Perils of a Licensed World 2:00 - 3:30pm What happens when we move from selling and buying traditional materials (CDs, print journal articles, etc.) to a system where things aren't purchased, but licensed? How do Digital Rights Management schemes alter social practices that center around intellectual property (for instance, trading music, loaning books)? How can we create and manage licensing systems that can protect commercial interests, but also promote the transfer of knowledge in ways that stimulate innovation, disseminate knowledge, create public benefit, promote global health equity, and ensure reasonable access to important technologies? Mark D. Janis (UI, College of Law) -Moderator Paula Kaufman -U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, University Librarian Ted Striphas -Indiana University, Department of Communication and Culture Gil Rodman -University of South Florida, Department of Communication Steve Jones -University of Illinois, Professor of Communication and Research Associate in the Electronic Visualization Laboratory John Wilbanks -Executive Director of Science Commons Usha Balakrishnan -University of Iowa, Director of Corporate Partnerships Paul Greenough -Professor of History and of Community & Behavioral Health, Co-director, National Resource Center in International Studies, Crossing Borders and Global Health Studies Programs Keynote Lecture 3:30 - 4:15 Siva Vaidhyanathan, New York University, Department of Culture and Communication "Critical Information Studies: A Manifesto" .................................. http://kembrew.com *************************** kembrew mcleod assistant professor department of communication studies university of iowa home contact info: 1037 e. washington st. iowa city, ia 52240 kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu 319-621-4620 "We are going to show a new side of him. The Hoff will surprise people with his rap skills." - Ice T, about David Hasselhoff's upcoming hip-hop album, which the rap veteran is producing._______________________________________________ Rumori mailing list Rumori@detritus.net http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ ******************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. ******************************************** From DSanjek at BMI.com Fri Feb 18 15:20:39 2005 From: DSanjek at BMI.com (Sanjek, David) Date: Fri Feb 18 15:20:43 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Interdisciplinary Intellectual Property Symposium at UofIowa Message-ID: <7F04C94D716DC04B9469C8CFA96F24EF08AD0A@NAMAIL04.bmi.org> Of course, all the list serv wants to know about my flight plans! Sorry. Dave Sanjek -----Original Message----- From: rumori-bounces@detritus.net [mailto:rumori-bounces@detritus.net] On Behalf Of Sanjek, David Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:27 PM To: Detritus discussion list. Subject: RE: [Rumori] Interdisciplinary Intellectual Property Symposium at UofIowa Kembrew, I need to double-check with the plane ticket, but two questions: are we being met at the airport and should we keep receipts on our other transportation: I'm going to have to take a car from home on Thurs. and then a bus back to NYC on Saturday. Dave I'll be out at home on Monday, but in the office Tues.-Wed. Needless to say, tinkering with and fixing up the essay at home. Dave -----Original Message----- From: rumori-bounces@detritus.net [mailto:rumori-bounces@detritus.net] On Behalf Of kembrew mcleod Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:06 PM To: Detritus discussion list. Subject: [Rumori] Interdisciplinary Intellectual Property Symposium at U ofIowa All events are free and open to the public, and although it's probably too late to come to The I.C. for next week's symposium, there are other major events happening on campus later in the semester. For a full list of events comprising the Semester of Intellectual Property, follow this link: http://www.uiowa.edu/%7Eporoi/SIP/index.htm Intellectual Property: An Interdisciplinary Conversation Sponsored by the Project on the Rhetoric of Inquiry (POROI) February 25, 2005, 9am-4:15pm College of Law, 4th Floor Student Lounge University of Iowa, Iowa City FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC This one-day symposium will bring together a diverse range of scholars and professionals who are interested in, or impacted by, intellectual property law. Aimed at a general audience and open to the public, the panels will consist of distinguished visiting speakers and members of the University of Iowa community. The purpose of this symposium - which will be held in conjunction with a special issue of Cultural Studies co-edited UI Prof. Kembrew McLeod and Indiana University Prof. Ted Striphas - is to help foster a meaningful and genuinely interdisciplinary confluence of scholarly research. In addition to panelists from across the University of Iowa, confirmed visiting panelists include keynote speaker Siva Vaidhyanathan (New York University, Department of Culture and Communication), Rebecca Eisenberg (University of Michigan Law School), Adrian Johns (University of Chicago, History), Eva Hemmungs Wirt?n (Uppsala University, Sweden), Sut Jhally (U Mass-Amherst, Communication Department and Executive Director of Media Education Foundation), Steve Jones (University of Illinois, Professor of Communication and Research Associate in the Electronic Visualization Laboratory), David Sanjek (Broadcast Music Incorporated Archives Director), Ted Striphas (Indiana University, Department of Communication and Culture), Gil Rodman (University of South Florida, Department of Communication), Paula Kaufman (U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, University Librarian), Nelson Pavlosky (Plaintiff in OPG v. Diebold), and John Wilbanks (Executive Director of Science Commons). SCHEDULE: Coffee & Cake Reception Opening comments by University of Iowa President David Skorton 9am - 9:30am Panel: Open Sources, Open Access & The Commons 9:30 - 11:00am What kinds of activities do intellectual property laws promote or prohibit in disciplines such as computer science, library science, genetic research, and other diverse areas of research? What are the contours of the public domain? Of those materials that are protected by intellectual property laws, how can we create a balance that both secures the interests of creators and promotes free inquiry? Kembrew McLeod (UI, Communication Studies & POROI) -Moderator Rebecca Eisenberg -University of Michigan Law School Bruce Wheaton -University of Iowa, Director, Technology & Innovation Center Jeff Murray -UI, Professor of Pediatrics, Biology, Dentistry and Preventative Medicine Nancy Baker -UI, University Librarian Alberto Segre -UI, Computer Science Adrian Johns -University of Chicago, History Eva Hemmungs Wirt?n -Uppsala University, Sweden Panel: Fair Uses 11:15am-12:45pm How does the fair use doctrine protect free speech in a multimedia age, and what are the limits of that protection? How does the fair use doctrine manifest itself within various professions and areas of the arts? How is the fair use doctrine shaped more generally? What are defensible uses for traditional materials, and how might recent laws alter the balance of power in digital mediums? Merrie Snell (UI, POROI Program Associate, Iowa Writer's Workshop MFA) -Moderator Christina Bohannan -UI, College of Law Sut Jhally -UMass-Amherst, Communication Department and Executive Director of Media Education Foundation John Sorensen -Producer, PBS Pamela Trimpe -Curator, UI Museum of Art David Sanjek -Broadcast Music Incorporated Archives Director Nelson Pavlosky -Plaintiff in OPG v. Diebold Siva Vaidhyanathan -New York University, Department of Culture and Communication Lunch 12:45 - 2:00pm Panel: The Promises and Perils of a Licensed World 2:00 - 3:30pm What happens when we move from selling and buying traditional materials (CDs, print journal articles, etc.) to a system where things aren't purchased, but licensed? How do Digital Rights Management schemes alter social practices that center around intellectual property (for instance, trading music, loaning books)? 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Thank you. ******************************************** From kembrew at kembrew.com Mon Feb 21 12:34:53 2005 From: kembrew at kembrew.com (kembrew mcleod) Date: Mon Feb 21 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Copyright Criminals: This is a Sampling Sport Message-ID: <0AE33180-8448-11D9-B7BE-000D932EDAAE@kembrew.com> Hey all, here's a link to a 10 minute sample/trailer for a documentary I've been working on with Benjamin Franzen. It won't be finished for another year, but we thought we'd put up something for people to watch. We've interviewed a LOT of people, many of which didn't make it into this short cut that Ben edited. http://copyrightcriminals.com/ .................................. http://kembrew.com *************************** kembrew mcleod assistant professor department of communication studies university of iowa home contact info: 1037 e. washington st. iowa city, ia 52240 kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu 319-621-4620 "We are going to show a new side of him. The Hoff will surprise people with his rap skills." - Ice T, about David Hasselhoff's upcoming hip-hop album, which the rap veteran is producing. From aleph at aleph-null.net Mon Feb 21 12:54:21 2005 From: aleph at aleph-null.net (niall munnelly) Date: Mon Feb 21 13:25:20 2005 Subject: [Rumori] damon packard Message-ID: <20050221205420.GA26843@pogo.dreamhost.com> hello, have any of you lot heard of this guy? he's a film director with a penchant for mucking about with obscure or forgettable films from the seventies, like _grizzly!_ or john carpenter's _dark star_, usually by inserting footage from other films {i recognise _unsane_ and _rawhead rex_ in _grizzly! redux_}, inappropriate sound effects and entirely new scenes starring himself into the original film. it's perverse, hysterically funny stuff {though i think it benefits from having a few friends and some beer around}, and i reckon packard would find an appreciative audience, here. i haven't found much information online about his re-creations, though. -- yours, niall. .. . . . . . . . . . aleph null. a simple insinuation around silence. http://syncretism.net .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. .. From pl1x at earthlink.net Mon Feb 21 13:49:37 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Mon Feb 21 13:49:53 2005 Subject: [Rumori] damon packard Message-ID: <4236639.1109022577956.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> If you ever find out how to get some of his stuff i'd love to hear how. I've been trying to track down a copy of his "The Untitled Star Wars Mockumentary" (http://cultcuts.net/reviewsmovies/u/untitledstarwarsmockumentary.htm) but his website Pookie Films (http://www.reflectionsofevil.com/) is no longer online. (the various FilmThreat treads on him say he went broke after TUSWM in 2003....) some other reviews: http://www.filmthreat.com/Reviews.asp?Id=3660 (poking around) http://www.bijouflix.com/goods/bijou_store1vcd_E.htm These people might sell his stuff! PeterALopez hello, have any of you lot heard of this guy? he's a film director with a penchant for mucking about with obscure or forgettable films from the seventies, like _grizzly!_ or john carpenter's _dark star_, usually by inserting footage from other films {i recognise _unsane_ and _rawhead rex_ in _grizzly! redux_}, inappropriate sound effects and entirely new scenes starring himself into the original film. it's perverse, hysterically funny stuff {though i think it benefits from having a few friends and some beer around}, and i reckon packard would find an appreciative audience, here. i haven't found much information online about his re-creations, though. -- yours, niall. .. . . . . . . . . . aleph null. a simple insinuation around silence. http://syncretism.net .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. .. _______________________________________________ Rumori mailing list Rumori@detritus.net http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From david at locarecords.com Mon Feb 21 15:06:35 2005 From: david at locarecords.com (David) Date: Mon Feb 21 15:06:36 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Copyright Criminals: This is a Sampling Sport In-Reply-To: <0AE33180-8448-11D9-B7BE-000D932EDAAE@kembrew.com> References: <0AE33180-8448-11D9-B7BE-000D932EDAAE@kembrew.com> Message-ID: <3C24AB82-845D-11D9-BE25-000A95B8FFFA@locarecords.com> Hey the film is cool. Look forward to seeing the final version. Cheers David meme http://www.locarecords.com --------- On 21 Feb 2005, at 20:34, kembrew mcleod wrote: > Hey all, here's a link to a 10 minute sample/trailer for a documentary > I've been working on with Benjamin Franzen. It won't be finished for > another year, but we thought we'd put up something for people to > watch. > > We've interviewed a LOT of people, many of which didn't make it into > this short cut that Ben edited. > > http://copyrightcriminals.com/ > > .................................. > http://kembrew.com > *************************** > kembrew mcleod > assistant professor > department of communication studies > university of iowa > > home contact info: > 1037 e. washington st. > iowa city, ia 52240 > kembrew-mcleod@uiowa.edu > 319-621-4620 > > "We are going to show a new side of him. The Hoff will surprise people > with his rap skills." - Ice T, about David Hasselhoff's upcoming > hip-hop album, which the rap veteran is producing. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From pepe at pobox.com Mon Feb 21 14:01:24 2005 From: pepe at pobox.com (Per Platou) Date: Mon Feb 21 15:13:36 2005 Subject: [Rumori] damon packard In-Reply-To: <20050221205420.GA26843@pogo.dreamhost.com> References: <20050221205420.GA26843@pogo.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <27d6c42ce08b94e3e1f6d53963a2ad88@pobox.com> Hmmm, never heard of the man before, but after some browsing have now ordered his most famous feature "Reflections of evil" from Bijouflix And it seems like the "untitled star wars mockumentary" is available from this address: #5 from the top Also found Damon Packard in the IMDB Per Platou www.liveart.org On Feb 21, 2005, at 9:54 PM, niall munnelly wrote: > hello, > > have any of you lot heard of this guy? he's a film director > with a penchant for mucking about with obscure or > forgettable films from the seventies, like _grizzly!_ or > john carpenter's _dark star_, usually by inserting footage > from other films {i recognise _unsane_ and _rawhead rex_ in > _grizzly! redux_}, inappropriate sound effects and entirely > new scenes starring himself into the original film. it's > perverse, hysterically funny stuff {though i think it > benefits from having a few friends and some beer around}, > and i reckon packard would find an appreciative audience, > here. > > i haven't found much information online about his > re-creations, though. > > -- > yours, > niall. > .. . . . . . . . . > . > aleph null. a simple insinuation around > silence. > http://syncretism.net > .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. .. > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > From nakedrabbit at earthlink.net Mon Feb 21 18:53:29 2005 From: nakedrabbit at earthlink.net (Tim Maloney) Date: Mon Feb 21 19:28:20 2005 Subject: [Rumori] damon packard In-Reply-To: <27d6c42ce08b94e3e1f6d53963a2ad88@pobox.com> References: <20050221205420.GA26843@pogo.dreamhost.com> <27d6c42ce08b94e3e1f6d53963a2ad88@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Feb 21, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Per Platou wrote: > Hmmm, never heard of the man before, I know him - I've met him a few times because he lives here in L.A. He's hilarious, I think. I have a copy of "Reflections of Evil" - I don't know if it is burnable, but since Damon was giving them away, I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I made copies. The whole ROE story is pretty amazing. The short form is this: Damon gets inheritance. Damn spends it on a complicated and unwieldy dream project in 16mm that also incorporates old ads, TV spots from ABC in the 60's, music from every 70's movie soundtrack, and a Tony Curtis intro from some Laserlight DVD. Then he makes THOUSANDS of copies and gives them all away. He mails one to EVERY PERSON in the Hollywood Creative Directory. He is so thrilled to make a film that he wants to give it to everyone, free. Of course, he is deemed a pariah, immediately, and people shun him. > And it seems like the "untitled star wars mockumentary" is available > from this address: I have this, too, and it's a riot! I love this guy's films. Someone should give him 100 million bucks to make Lord of the Rings movies. They would be really great. He's a more deeply troubled and peculiarly visionary filmmaker than anyone making those epics today. Let him direct the last 3 Star Wars movies and they would actually be good. No kidding. > Naked Rabbit - P.O. Box 36673 - LA - CA - 90036 - http://www.nakedrabbit.com From owen_squier at yahoo.com Mon Feb 21 21:58:39 2005 From: owen_squier at yahoo.com (Squier) Date: Mon Feb 21 21:59:16 2005 Subject: [Rumori] damon packard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050222055840.52377.qmail@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In the SF Bay Area here, Craig Baldwin's Other Cinema has screened both the Mockumentary and Reflections, with DP In Person and I think even the Pacific Film Archive has screened his work. Reflections of Evil in particular is outstanding--a major entry in los Angeles distopianism, incredible, instincutally smart yet obviously the work of a completely marginalized fringe-(if not car-)dweller. More legend about Reflections: he didn't just mail it all over Hollywood, he left hundreds of DVDs on strangers' doorsteps and laying out at random ATM machines. he got himself recognized and perpetually thrown out/prohibited from Universal Studios for returning again and again to film scenes there, in front of special effect displays with strangers, etc. And he also created "Shindler's List: The Ride" for the theme park. The scenes filmed on the LA streets with actual street dwelers, cops,violence--not to mention the incredible "dog montage" --it's all really really vicious critques of bullshit movie fantasy world clashing with some really harsh reality (but is a total homage to the movies as well). He's a very sweet, weird, interesting guy. If you can trak his email down (I'm working on it for y'all), I'm sure he'd be happy to pas on materials (I mean he sells it, and, believe me, he needs the money). There's an amazing interview out there that I think went down with reflectionsofevil.com. This page my be dead, btw, but the internet archive has baqckups: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.reflectionsofevil.com god luck (os) --- Tim Maloney wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Per Platou wrote: > > > Hmmm, never heard of the man before, > > I know him - I've met him a few times because he > lives here in L.A. > He's hilarious, I think. I have a copy of > "Reflections of Evil" - I > don't know if it is burnable, but since Damon was > giving them away, I'm > sure he wouldn't mind if I made copies. > > The whole ROE story is pretty amazing. The short > form is this: Damon > gets inheritance. Damn spends it on a complicated > and unwieldy dream > project in 16mm that also incorporates old ads, TV > spots from ABC in > the 60's, music from every 70's movie soundtrack, > and a Tony Curtis > intro from some Laserlight DVD. Then he makes > THOUSANDS of copies and > gives them all away. He mails one to EVERY PERSON > in the Hollywood > Creative Directory. He is so thrilled to make a > film that he wants to > give it to everyone, free. > > Of course, he is deemed a pariah, immediately, and > people shun him. > > > And it seems like the "untitled star wars > mockumentary" is available > > from this address: > > I have this, too, and it's a riot! I love this > guy's films. Someone > should give him 100 million bucks to make Lord of > the Rings movies. > They would be really great. He's a more deeply > troubled and peculiarly > visionary filmmaker than anyone making those epics > today. Let him > direct the last 3 Star Wars movies and they would > actually be good. No > kidding. > > > Naked Rabbit - P.O. Box 36673 - LA - CA - 90036 - > http://www.nakedrabbit.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From nakedrabbit at earthlink.net Mon Feb 21 22:59:53 2005 From: nakedrabbit at earthlink.net (Tim Maloney) Date: Mon Feb 21 23:00:02 2005 Subject: [Rumori] damon packard In-Reply-To: <20050222055840.52377.qmail@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050222055840.52377.qmail@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0fd6e95618b4206341ea5a9dccc7ec0d@earthlink.net> On Feb 21, 2005, at 9:58 PM, Squier wrote: > --a major entry in los > Angeles distopianism, ...keep in mind that he is from here, though, so it's not L.A.- bashing so much as bashing the whole world and shooting here because he's already here. ROE is definitely about how angry the world has become. > incredible, instincutally smart > yet obviously the work of a completely marginalized > fringe-(if not car-)dweller. Couldn't agree more. > (I mean he sells it, > and, believe me, he needs the money). How stupid of me not to think of this! Yes, folks, he does need the money and he deserves every penny of it. This guy is a true independent in every meaning of the word. Last email I have for him is as follows: oogila@webtv.net > Also, Craig Baldwin and the Other Cinema label made a DVD called "Experiments in Terror" with some Packard material on it. Naked Rabbit - P.O. Box 36673 - LA - CA - 90036 - http://www.nakedrabbit.com From ecc at pobox.com Tue Feb 22 10:55:42 2005 From: ecc at pobox.com (The Evolution Control Committee / tradeMark G.) Date: Tue Feb 22 10:59:20 2005 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Rumori] damon packard Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050222105420.04c99e90@cutlass.velocet.ca> >He's hilarious, I think. I have a copy of "Reflections of Evil" - I don't >know if it is burnable, but since Damon was giving them away, I'm sure he >wouldn't mind if I made copies. Those with Netflix can apparently check it out, but not until March 8th. I wonder if this means he somehow got a distribution deal for this?? - TradeMark G. From aleph at aleph-null.net Tue Feb 22 18:15:41 2005 From: aleph at aleph-null.net (niall munnelly) Date: Tue Feb 22 18:15:55 2005 Subject: [Rumori] damon packard In-Reply-To: <0fd6e95618b4206341ea5a9dccc7ec0d@earthlink.net> References: <20050222055840.52377.qmail@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0fd6e95618b4206341ea5a9dccc7ec0d@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050223021541.GD32640@pogo.dreamhost.com> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 10:59:53PM -0800, Tim Maloney wrote: > > How stupid of me not to think of this! Yes, folks, he does need the > money and he deserves every penny of it. This guy is a true > independent in every meaning of the word. Last email I have for him is > as follows: > > oogila@webtv.net you rock! i just bought five DVDs from him. thanks! -- yours, niall. .. . . . . . . . . . aleph null. a simple insinuation around silence. http://syncretism.net .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. .. From mattdavignon at hotmail.com Thu Feb 24 10:34:43 2005 From: mattdavignon at hotmail.com (matt davignon) Date: Thu Feb 24 11:18:04 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20050217100506.04ddf340@cutlass.velocet.ca> Message-ID: Also, before I started looking up copyright law, I assumed you had to actually file paperwork with the Library of Congress in order to claim copyright to something. There's a chance that if someone hears their childhood tape in your work, they'll let it go based on that misunderstanding. >From: "The Evolution Control Committee / tradeMark G." >Reply-To: "Detritus discussion list." >To: "Rumor, I" >Subject: Re: [Rumori] Thrift store recordings >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:50:25 -0800 > >At 02:23 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: > >>I don't know if this subject has been brought out >>before but are recordings from donated tapes found at >>thrift shops protected by copyright? If I found a tape >>that someone donated with sounds of him talking or >>whatever, could I "release" it as part of a found >>sound series? I was considering starting such a >>series but was uncertain about legalities or >>illegalities of doing that. > > Having contemplated doing similarly with loads of great material found >in the thrift piles, I've mulled over the issues a bit. As best I >understand things, any (any!) recorded material is now -presumed- copyright >unless explicitly stated otherwise. Never mind the fact that it would be >impossible for you to locate the "author" of the found work; never mind >that the authors themselves gave away the master recordings to the thrift >store (and hence, the public). The author didn't say-so, so it's a no-go. > > Now, let's talk about reality. How many copies ya gonna press of your >proposed compilation? 300? 500? Maybe even 1,000? What are the chances >any of those will reach someone that got included on it? Even if it >happens, will they care? I've also thought that the chances of this >happening are actually LOWER than random chance, because the type of person >who would carelessly donate their answering machine cassette to the thrift >store is sociologically not the kind of person that would buy and listen to >a CD of found sounds for fun. > > In short, do it bubba. Compile it, put it out. Take the >infinitesimally minor risk to share your finds and bestow joy upon those >who would appreciate such niche entertainment. I'll buy one! > >- TradeMark G. > >P.S.: Anyone in Las Vegas or Kansas City? Your first chances to see The >ECC live are coming up... details at: www.evolution-control.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From ddixon at wi.rr.com Thu Feb 24 13:55:52 2005 From: ddixon at wi.rr.com (David Dixon) Date: Thu Feb 24 13:56:19 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Cease and Destroy Message-ID: <0b6201c51abb$9e1dd950$d2664c45@brw0901> I received the following at my home today, via Certified Mail. February 17, 2005 David Dixon [address removed] Re: NOTICE OF WILLFUL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT Dear Mr. Dixon: I write on behalf of Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC ("Sony/ATV"), a copyright owner and the music publisher of an extensive catalogue of copyrighted musical compositions, including musical compositions written, individually and/or jointly, by John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Richard Starkey (individually and collectively, "The Beatles") and recorded and performed by The Beatles, including, but not limited to, "Run For Your Life," "Back In The USSR," "Taxman," "And I Love Her," "Got To Get You Into My Life," "Lady Madonna," "Hey Jude," "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and "We Can Work It Out," to name just a few (the "Sony/ATV Compositions"). It has come to our attention that you are using Sony/ATV Compositions, or derivative works thereof, without authorization or license in connection with (i) the advertising and promotion of a musical group p/k/a Beatallica; (ii) the making available, distribution and performance of musical works; (iii) the promotion and sale of merchandise; and (iv) the advertising and promotion of the Beatallica websites, owned and operated by you or under your direction and control at Beatallica.com and Beatallica.org (the "Sites"). Such uses of Sony/ATV Compositions without the express authorization or license has caused and continues to cause substantial and irreparable injury and is in direct violation of Sony/ATV's rights, including, without limitation, those under the United Stated Copyright Act. Accordingly, you must immediately: - cease exploiting Sony/ATV Compositions and all unauthorized derivative works thereof; - provide Sony/ATV with written assurance that all such unauthorized uses have ceased; - provide Sony/ATV with information regarding any and all audio and audio-visual product (e.g., cassette, CD, DVD, multimedia, MP3 and other electronic files), merchandise and written material (electronic and otherwise), and any other product that incorporates or uses Sony/ATV Compositions or any unauthorized derivative works thereof, including, but not limited to, the (a) dates on which each audio, audio-visual, or other product was created and distributed; and (b) number of copies of each audio, audio-visual or multimedia work, merchandise or other product that was created; - provide Sony/ATV with an accounting of all sums received or earned in connection with the exploitation of the Sony/ATV Compositions and all unauthorized derivative works thereof, as well as the operation of the Sites; and - compensate Sony/ATV in an amount to be discussed after you have promptly complied with the foregoing. Your failure to promptly take the steps outlined above and contact me within ten (10) days from your receipt of this letter will force Sony/ATV to pursue all available legal remedies in equity and at law, including, without limitation, seeking statutory damages and attorneys fees routinely awarded in the federal courts. This letter is not an exhaustive recitation of Sony/ATV's claims in this matter, and is accordingly written without prejudice to Sony/ATV's rights and remedies in the foregoing, all of which are hereby expressly reserved. I can be reached by phone at (212) 833-5374 or by facsimile at (212) 833-4742. Sincerely, Andrew Sanders Director Business and Legal Affairs cc: J.Kant, K. Weissman If I have to go to fucking court, I am going to go to fucking court. D^2 Webmaster of Puppets http://beatallica.org From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Fri Feb 25 04:47:36 2005 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (ed special) Date: Fri Feb 25 05:47:07 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Cease and Destroy In-Reply-To: <0b6201c51abb$9e1dd950$d2664c45@brw0901> References: <0b6201c51abb$9e1dd950$d2664c45@brw0901> Message-ID: <605ea67bd7a2d6005f9c7277b5d57f2e@digitalrealm.net> Darth Vader/Storm Trooper music fades up in the background as I read the threatening letter. Sounds like extortion to me. But then, I'm not a lawyer... Don't they have to prove the amount and type of injury in their claim: "Such uses of Sony/ATV Compositions without the express authorization or license has caused and continues to cause substantial and irreparable injury......." ? Just reading their extortion-threat letter is causing me substantial injury..... I guess it wouldn't be prudent to ask for a link to or copy of what it is you've done to so brutally hurt them. Those people are fucking obscenities with legs, a mouth and shit for brains. Try this: http://www.google.com/search?q=lawyers+for+artists Good luck and let us know how things go. Ed On Feb 24, 2005, at 4:55 PM, David Dixon wrote: > I received the following at my home today, via Certified Mail. > > February 17, 2005 > > David Dixon > [address removed] > > Re: NOTICE OF WILLFUL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT > > > Dear Mr. Dixon: > > I write on behalf of Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC ("Sony/ATV"), a > copyright owner and the music publisher of an extensive catalogue of > copyrighted musical compositions, including musical compositions > written, individually and/or jointly, by John Lennon, Paul McCartney, > George Harrison and Richard Starkey (individually and collectively, > "The Beatles") and recorded and performed by The Beatles, including, > but not limited to, "Run For Your Life," "Back In The USSR," "Taxman," > "And I Love Her," "Got To Get You Into My Life," "Lady Madonna," > "Hey Jude," "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and "We Can Work It Out," > to name just a few (the "Sony/ATV Compositions"). > > It has come to our attention that you are using Sony/ATV Compositions, > or derivative works thereof, without authorization or license in > connection > with (i) the advertising and promotion of a musical group p/k/a > Beatallica; > (ii) the making available, distribution and performance of musical > works; > (iii) the promotion and sale of merchandise; and (iv) the advertising > and > promotion of the Beatallica websites, owned and operated by you or > under > your direction and control at Beatallica.com and Beatallica.org (the > "Sites"). Such uses of Sony/ATV Compositions without the express > authorization or license has caused and continues to cause substantial > and > irreparable injury and is in direct violation of Sony/ATV's rights, > including, without limitation, those under the United Stated Copyright > Act. > > Accordingly, you must immediately: > > - cease exploiting Sony/ATV Compositions and all unauthorized > derivative works thereof; > > - provide Sony/ATV with written assurance that all such > unauthorized uses have ceased; > > - provide Sony/ATV with information regarding any and all audio > and audio-visual product (e.g., cassette, CD, DVD, multimedia, MP3 and > other electronic files), merchandise and written material (electronic > and > otherwise), and any other product that incorporates or uses Sony/ATV > Compositions or any unauthorized derivative works thereof, including, > but > not limited to, the (a) dates on which each audio, audio-visual, or > other > product was created and distributed; and (b) number of copies of each > audio, audio-visual or multimedia work, merchandise or other product > that > was created; > > - provide Sony/ATV with an accounting of all sums received or > earned in connection with the exploitation of the Sony/ATV Compositions > and all unauthorized derivative works thereof, as well as the > operation of > the Sites; and > > - compensate Sony/ATV in an amount to be discussed after you > have promptly complied with the foregoing. > > Your failure to promptly take the steps outlined above and contact me > within ten (10) days from your receipt of this letter will force > Sony/ATV > to pursue all available legal remedies in equity and at law, including, > without limitation, seeking statutory damages and attorneys fees > routinely > awarded in the federal courts. > > This letter is not an exhaustive recitation of Sony/ATV's claims in > this > matter, and is accordingly written without prejudice to Sony/ATV's > rights > and remedies in the foregoing, all of which are hereby expressly > reserved. > > I can be reached by phone at (212) 833-5374 or by facsimile at > (212) 833-4742. > > > Sincerely, > > > Andrew Sanders > Director > Business and Legal Affairs > > > cc: J.Kant, K. Weissman > > > > > If I have to go to fucking court, I am going to go to fucking court. > > D^2 > Webmaster of Puppets > http://beatallica.org > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From davidsmind at davidsmind.com Fri Feb 25 09:18:48 2005 From: davidsmind at davidsmind.com (david a mattatall [davidsmind.com]) Date: Fri Feb 25 09:45:56 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Cease and Destroy In-Reply-To: <605ea67bd7a2d6005f9c7277b5d57f2e@digitalrealm.net> References: <0b6201c51abb$9e1dd950$d2664c45@brw0901> <605ea67bd7a2d6005f9c7277b5d57f2e@digitalrealm.net> Message-ID: <421F5DF8.8000109@davidsmind.com> The material in question is at http://beatallica.org, he links to it at the end of his post. Although your google search is well intentioned, it's not very helpful. David, you should probably contact the EFF (http://eff.org/) they've helped numerous people in the past. --davidsmind ed special wrote: > I guess it wouldn't be prudent to ask for a link to or copy of what it > is you've done to so brutally hurt them. Those people are fucking > obscenities with legs, a mouth and shit for brains. > > > Try this: > http://www.google.com/search?q=lawyers+for+artists > > Good luck and let us know how things go. > > Ed > > > > > On Feb 24, 2005, at 4:55 PM, David Dixon wrote: > >> >> >> If I have to go to fucking court, I am going to go to fucking court. >> >> D^2 >> Webmaster of Puppets >> http://beatallica.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Rumori mailing list >> Rumori@detritus.net >> http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >> older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From davidsmind at davidsmind.com Fri Feb 25 09:59:53 2005 From: davidsmind at davidsmind.com (david a mattatall [davidsmind.com]) Date: Fri Feb 25 10:18:16 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Cease and Destroy In-Reply-To: <421F5DF8.8000109@davidsmind.com> References: <0b6201c51abb$9e1dd950$d2664c45@brw0901> <605ea67bd7a2d6005f9c7277b5d57f2e@digitalrealm.net> <421F5DF8.8000109@davidsmind.com> Message-ID: <421F6799.6040608@davidsmind.com> Holy bunk! The site is down. I was just downloading mp3s from it yesterday. Here's an archived link of the older layout for those of you who are interested: http://web.archive.org/web/20040210205012/www.sensoryresearch.com/~starkeff/beatallica.html david a mattatall [davidsmind.com] wrote: > The material in question is at http://beatallica.org, he links to it > at the end of his post. Although your google search is well > intentioned, it's not very helpful. > > David, you should probably contact the EFF (http://eff.org/) they've > helped numerous people in the past. > > --davidsmind From pan at sensoryresearch.com Fri Feb 25 10:23:43 2005 From: pan at sensoryresearch.com (Pan) Date: Fri Feb 25 11:20:57 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Cease and Destroy In-Reply-To: <421F6799.6040608@davidsmind.com> References: <0b6201c51abb$9e1dd950$d2664c45@brw0901> <605ea67bd7a2d6005f9c7277b5d57f2e@digitalrealm.net> <421F5DF8.8000109@davidsmind.com> <421F6799.6040608@davidsmind.com> Message-ID: Starkeffect hasn't been hosted here for a while, but yes, you can find the archived page from archive.org Pan Sensory Research Network http://sensoryresearch.com On Feb 25, 2005, at 12:59 PM, david a mattatall [davidsmind.com] wrote: > > Holy bunk! The site is down. I was just downloading mp3s from it > yesterday. Here's an archived link of the older layout for those of > you who are interested: > http://web.archive.org/web/20040210205012/www.sensoryresearch.com/ > ~starkeff/beatallica.html > > david a mattatall [davidsmind.com] wrote: > >> The material in question is at http://beatallica.org, he links to it >> at the end of his post. Although your google search is well >> intentioned, it's not very helpful. >> >> David, you should probably contact the EFF (http://eff.org/) they've >> helped numerous people in the past. >> >> --davidsmind > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Fri Feb 25 11:59:08 2005 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (ed special) Date: Fri Feb 25 12:27:07 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Cease and Destroy In-Reply-To: <421F6799.6040608@davidsmind.com> References: <0b6201c51abb$9e1dd950$d2664c45@brw0901> <605ea67bd7a2d6005f9c7277b5d57f2e@digitalrealm.net> <421F5DF8.8000109@davidsmind.com> <421F6799.6040608@davidsmind.com> Message-ID: Looks like a lot has been removed from the archive..... Ed On Feb 25, 2005, at 12:59 PM, david a mattatall [davidsmind.com] wrote: > > Holy bunk! The site is down. I was just downloading mp3s from it > yesterday. Here's an archived link of the older layout for those of > you who are interested: > http://web.archive.org/web/20040210205012/www.sensoryresearch.com/ > ~starkeff/beatallica.html > > david a mattatall [davidsmind.com] wrote: > >> The material in question is at http://beatallica.org, he links to it >> at the end of his post. Although your google search is well >> intentioned, it's not very helpful. >> >> David, you should probably contact the EFF (http://eff.org/) they've >> helped numerous people in the past. >> >> --davidsmind > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From nakedrabbit at earthlink.net Sat Feb 26 10:27:23 2005 From: nakedrabbit at earthlink.net (Tim Maloney) Date: Sat Feb 26 10:27:31 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Damon Packard, Reflections of Evil Message-ID: <31d3a7cfa0dc76765be799a27fde819b@earthlink.net> He's still around on the web, too, so read up... http://66.218.138.162/cannibol/damon/index.html Naked Rabbit - P.O. Box 36673 - LA - CA - 90036 - http://www.nakedrabbit.com From steev at detritus.net Mon Feb 28 08:38:03 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (steev@detritus.net) Date: Mon Feb 28 08:38:12 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: The Semester of Intellectual Property at University of Iowa Message-ID: Detritus Update: The Semester of Intellectual Property at University of Iowa February 28, 2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://detritus.net/blog/archives/000315.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
"What is it with you Iowans and copyright?" - representative of the Visual Arts and Galleries Association, speaking to UI Art Museum Curator Pamela Trimpe
This entire semester in Iowa City there's an exciting series of events happening called the Semester of Intellectual Property. Organized by Kembrew McLeod and other University of Iowa faculty, it includes museum exhibits, film screenings, lectures, and the Collage Conference, which several detrivores will be attending as speakers and performers, March 24-26. Also a part of the series was a one-day symposium last Friday, called Intellectual Property: An Interdisciplinary Conversation, which I attended. I have compiled some notes, photos, and thoughts from the symposium on a web page, at http://detritus.net/ IPsemester/ipsymposium/ -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.661 http://www.movabletype.org/