From steev at detritus.net Sun May 1 12:19:57 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Sun May 1 12:20:01 2005 Subject: [Rumori] the future of detritus In-Reply-To: <4273D5D7.8000309@ubuibi.org> Message-ID: on Sat, 30 Apr 2005 das told me: ->i have always seen detritus as a closed collective anyway. its not and was never meant to be but thats a good comment. how to change it? smh -> -> -> ->Steev Hise wrote: -> ->>hi all, ->> ->>I want to try to get a discussion going here about what to do ->>with Detritus.net. For years now I have felt that the site has ->>not been been fulfilling its potential, but i just dont have the ->>time, energy, or inclination any more torealize that potential, ->>at least all by myself. ->> ->>Ideally I would like to see Detritus.net, the site and the server ->>that hosts it and other sites, become more of a collective, ->>maintained and administered collaboratively by serveral ->>webmaster types, editors, and "content providers".I want it to ->>not be "mine" anymore. I want it to be controlled and run by the ->>community it purposrts to serve. ->> ->>That is what i dream of, basically. what do you want? lets talk. ->>where would you like to see Detritus go? whats the best thing ->>about it? what has been missing? what is wrong? what are you ->>interested in doing? ->> ->>Id like this discusison to take place on rumori. if youre on the ->>detrivore list but not rumori and youd like to get involved with ->>the converstaion, please join rumori. detrivores is an announce ->>only list so dont try replying to that. instructions for joining ->>rumori are on ->>detritus.net/contact/rumori ->> ->>writing to you from an internet cafe in the hottest place i can ->>remember ever being, El Estor, Guatemala, ->> ->>steev ->> ->>p.s. since i am travelling i wont be onlin eenough to be ->>omnipresent in this discussion, if it develops, but don tlet that ->>stop you from talking amongst yourselves. please!!! ->> ->> ->>Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev ->>Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html ->>blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ->>----------------------------------------------------------------- ->>"Disillusionment earlier is better." ->> -Jon Leidecker ->>----------------------------------------------------------------- ->> ->> ->>_______________________________________________ ->>Rumori mailing list ->>Rumori@detritus.net ->>http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->>older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ ->> ->> ->> -> -> ->_______________________________________________ ->Rumori mailing list ->Rumori@detritus.net ->http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ -> Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------- "It's so hard to begin at the beginning, and not go further back." -Dick Hebdige ----------------------------------------------------------------- From davidsmind at davidsmind.com Sun May 1 14:24:14 2005 From: davidsmind at davidsmind.com (David Mattatall) Date: Sun May 1 15:14:58 2005 Subject: [Rumori] the future of detritus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200505011424.14733.davidsmind@davidsmind.com> On May 1, 2005 12:19 pm, Steev Hise wrote: > on Sat, 30 Apr 2005 das told me: > > ->i have always seen detritus as a closed collective anyway. > > its not and was never meant to be but > thats a good comment. > > how to change it? > > smh Set up a wiki? From ll at detritus.net Mon May 2 02:47:24 2005 From: ll at detritus.net (eleven) Date: Mon May 2 03:17:37 2005 Subject: [Rumori] the future of detritus In-Reply-To: <200505011424.14733.davidsmind@davidsmind.com> References: <200505011424.14733.davidsmind@davidsmind.com> Message-ID: Wiki, or community weblog. Personally, as a web user, I'm more inclined to frequently visit a community weblog than a wiki. Part of this is habit, but to me the form of a wiki suggests that you'd go there to answer a certain question, when you're satisfied, you leave. It's obvious to me that that's not how it HAS to be, but that's how I perceive it. With a community weblog, I'm inclined to visit frequently to see what's happening and what people are talking about. I want to be surprised or be told something that I wasn't aware of or even just be entertained. I'm not drawn to the wikisphere for that. All of that aside, though, either wiki or blog, both need community involvement. If the community (by that I mean us) is too busy or whatever to actually do the work of offering their information, discoveries, and insight, then it'll never work. I think it has to be interesting enough to be worth a visit every day. I visit boing boing every day, even though a lot of what they post is stupid, there's usually something there that I'm interested in pursuing further. Or metafilter or any of a number of community web logs. On May 1, 2005, at 23:24, David Mattatall wrote: >> its not and was never meant to be but >> thats a good comment. >> >> how to change it? >> >> smh >> > > Set up a wiki? From CHASEDJ at BuffaloState.edu Mon May 2 06:15:50 2005 From: CHASEDJ at BuffaloState.edu (Chase, Douglas) Date: Mon May 2 06:53:58 2005 Subject: [Rumori] the future of detritus Message-ID: <3A7D9F60A686E44DBE8FED685C6067400582089C@bscmail3.bsclogon.buffalostate.edu> Seconded, eleven, great idea. Would add something like that to Bloglines instantly. DJC -----Original Message----- From: rumori-bounces@detritus.net [mailto:rumori-bounces@detritus.net] On Behalf Of eleven Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:47 AM To: Detritus discussion list. Subject: Re: [Rumori] the future of detritus Wiki, or community weblog. Personally, as a web user, I'm more inclined to frequently visit a community weblog than a wiki. Part of this is habit, but to me the form of a wiki suggests that you'd go there to answer a certain question, when you're satisfied, you leave. It's obvious to me that that's not how it HAS to be, but that's how I perceive it. With a community weblog, I'm inclined to visit frequently to see what's happening and what people are talking about. I want to be surprised or be told something that I wasn't aware of or even just be entertained. I'm not drawn to the wikisphere for that. All of that aside, though, either wiki or blog, both need community involvement. If the community (by that I mean us) is too busy or whatever to actually do the work of offering their information, discoveries, and insight, then it'll never work. I think it has to be interesting enough to be worth a visit every day. I visit boing boing every day, even though a lot of what they post is stupid, there's usually something there that I'm interested in pursuing further. Or metafilter or any of a number of community web logs. On May 1, 2005, at 23:24, David Mattatall wrote: >> its not and was never meant to be but >> thats a good comment. >> >> how to change it? >> >> smh >> > > Set up a wiki? _______________________________________________ Rumori mailing list Rumori@detritus.net http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From darren at alienated.net Tue May 3 10:44:58 2005 From: darren at alienated.net (Darren Wershler-Henry) Date: Tue May 3 11:28:55 2005 Subject: [Rumori] the future of detritus In-Reply-To: <3A7D9F60A686E44DBE8FED685C6067400582089C@bscmail3.bsclogon.buffalostate.edu> Message-ID: Whatever platform the new Detritus ends up being built on, it needs an RSS feed. If it isn't in my inbox or my newsreader, I don't read it. And that'll be the case for more and more people over the next couple of years. On 5/2/05 9:15 AM, "Chase, Douglas" wrote: > Seconded, eleven, great idea. Would add something like that to > Bloglines instantly. > > DJC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rumori-bounces@detritus.net [mailto:rumori-bounces@detritus.net] > On Behalf Of eleven > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:47 AM > To: Detritus discussion list. > Subject: Re: [Rumori] the future of detritus > > Wiki, or community weblog. Personally, as a web user, I'm more > inclined to frequently visit a community weblog than a wiki. Part of > this is habit, but to me the form of a wiki suggests that you'd go > there to answer a certain question, when you're satisfied, you leave. > It's obvious to me that that's not how it HAS to be, but that's how I > perceive it. > > With a community weblog, I'm inclined to visit frequently to see > what's happening and what people are talking about. I want to be > surprised or be told something that I wasn't aware of or even just be > entertained. I'm not drawn to the wikisphere for that. > > All of that aside, though, either wiki or blog, both need community > involvement. If the community (by that I mean us) is too busy or > whatever to actually do the work of offering their information, > discoveries, and insight, then it'll never work. I think it has to be > interesting enough to be worth a visit every day. I visit boing boing > every day, even though a lot of what they post is stupid, there's > usually something there that I'm interested in pursuing further. Or > metafilter or any of a number of community web logs. > > > On May 1, 2005, at 23:24, David Mattatall wrote: > >>> its not and was never meant to be but >>> thats a good comment. >>> >>> how to change it? >>> >>> smh >>> >> >> Set up a wiki? > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ --------------------- Darren Wershler-Henry darren@alienated.net "Everyone hates a sad professor" -- REM From ll at detritus.net Wed May 4 01:38:55 2005 From: ll at detritus.net (eleven) Date: Wed May 4 01:57:34 2005 Subject: [Rumori] the future of detritus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419AB787-5A9F-4BC2-9C69-4953B4D05160@detritus.net> OK, we can start a list. Need: RSS feed Blog Wiki can be part of it, but center should be blog (IMO) what else? Um, a group of some half-dozen (intentionally vague number) people of vision, creativity and strong moral character, who can give it an hour or so three (or many more) times a week. Interesting content. New posts often, ideally multiple times a day. what else? On May 3, 2005, at 19:44, Darren Wershler-Henry wrote: > Whatever platform the new Detritus ends up being built on, it needs > an RSS > feed. If it isn't in my inbox or my newsreader, I don't read it. > And that'll > be the case for more and more people over the next couple of years. > > On 5/2/05 9:15 AM, "Chase, Douglas" wrote: > > >> Seconded, eleven, great idea. Would add something like that to >> Bloglines instantly. >> >> DJC Lloyd Dunn also Public Works - http://pwp.detritus.net/ Photostatic - http://psrf.detritus.net/ >>> From pl1x at earthlink.net Wed May 4 18:14:14 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Wed May 4 18:15:58 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Unfixed Subtraction is """"Legal"""" Message-ID: <15451808.1115255654305.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> According to the new Family Movie Act of 2005, it's now """"legal"""" to make unfixed subtractive works! via: http://www.forbes.com/2005/04/29/cz_sf_0429clearplay.html U.S. copyright law makes it illegal to sell edited versions of Hollywood films. But the Family Movie Act says if you use software to "mak[e] imperceptible changes to...limited portions of audio or video content of a motion picture...from an authorized copy of the motion picture," you're OK. Just don't create a "fixed copy of the altered version." yeah...maybe... From smcquillen at mac.com Thu May 5 13:18:38 2005 From: smcquillen at mac.com (Steve McQuillen) Date: Thu May 5 23:06:25 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Unfixed Subtraction is """"Legal"""" In-Reply-To: <15451808.1115255654305.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <15451808.1115255654305.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5A113B60-235A-4EC4-93A1-AE880012D4A4@mac.com> ClearPlay? cLEARpLAY!? Is that anything like ClearChannel? I guess this guy really wants to be to the film industry what Lowry Mays was to the FM radio industry: the guy who created a rated G safety beacon which destroys and/or assimilates all other 'dirty' broadcasts and/or recordings whilst raking in the big bucks from Joe Average Christian. I can see this forcing the studios to release several different edits of their films. In 20 years, it will become rare for a 'big name director' to get a deal signed where no edited version will be made. Some movies will advertise to the vast (and extremely profitable) concerned parent set that "NO SAFETY EDIT VERSION WAS NEEDED - THIS FILM IS ORIGINALLY 100% WHOLESOME AND CUDDLY AND CLEAN". What do they consider to be "imperceptble changes"? Could this company get sued by Lucas for cutting someone in mid-sentence? Who would be the judge of the aesthetic qualities of a cut, a fade, a wipe, etc. when the software deals with 'bad scenes'? If someone considers 95% of a movie to be "bad", is that still an accepted subtractive edit? I want to sell subtractive edits, though: fixed edits on plastic. And I want to sell additive works, too. Shower to the Sheeple. Steve Orina On May 04, 2005, at 9:14 PM, PeterALopez wrote: > According to the new Family Movie Act of 2005, it's now > """"legal"""" to make unfixed subtractive works! > via: http://www.forbes.com/2005/04/29/cz_sf_0429clearplay.html > U.S. copyright law makes it illegal to sell edited versions of > Hollywood films. But the Family Movie Act says if you use software > to "mak[e] imperceptible changes to...limited portions of audio or > video content of a motion picture...from an authorized copy of the > motion picture," you're OK. Just don't create a "fixed copy of the > altered version." > > > yeah...maybe... > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From smcquillen at mac.com Thu May 5 08:15:25 2005 From: smcquillen at mac.com (Steve McQuillen) Date: Thu May 5 23:07:59 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Unfixed Subtraction is """"Legal"""" In-Reply-To: <15451808.1115255654305.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <15451808.1115255654305.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6663F77D-A52B-41B6-93FF-08CD7216DE69@mac.com> ClearPlay? cLEARpLAY!? Like ClearChannel? I guess this guy really wants to be to the film industry what Lowry Mays was to the FM radio industry: the guy who created a rated G safety beacon which destroys and/or assimilates all other 'dirty' broadcasts and/or recordings whilst raking in the big bucks from Joe Average Christian. I can see this forcing the studios to release several different edits of their films. In 20 years, it will become rare for a 'big name director' to get a deal signed where no edited version will be made. Some movies will advertise to the vast (and extremely profitable) concerned parent set that "NO SAFETY EDIT VERSION WAS NEEDED - THIS FILM IS ORIGINALLY 100% WHOLESOME AND CUDDLY AND CLEAN". What do they consider to be "imperceptble changes"? Could this company get sued by Lucas for cutting someone in mid-sentence? Who would be the judge of the aesthetic qualities of a cut, a fade, a wipe, etc. when the software deals with 'bad scenes'? If someone considers 95% of a movie to be "bad", is that still an accepted subtractive edit? I want to sell subtractive edits, though: fixed edits on plastic. And I want to sell additive works, too. Shower to the Sheeple. Steve Orina On May 04, 2005, at 9:14 PM, PeterALopez wrote: > According to the new Family Movie Act of 2005, it's now > """"legal"""" to make unfixed subtractive works! > via: http://www.forbes.com/2005/04/29/cz_sf_0429clearplay.html > U.S. copyright law makes it illegal to sell edited versions of > Hollywood films. But the Family Movie Act says if you use software > to "mak[e] imperceptible changes to...limited portions of audio or > video content of a motion picture...from an authorized copy of the > motion picture," you're OK. Just don't create a "fixed copy of the > altered version." > > > yeah...maybe... > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > From ddixon at wi.rr.com Fri May 6 12:06:41 2005 From: ddixon at wi.rr.com (David Dixon) Date: Fri May 6 12:07:00 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Beatallica returns tonight Message-ID: <011a01c5526e$bd4b8350$6eda1e41@brw0901> Beatallica.org will be going back up tonight, at 9 PM central US time. Come hang out with us on IRC, beginning an hour before the launch. server: us.undernet.org channel: #beatallica D^2 Webmaster of Puppets, Beatallica From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Sat May 7 11:00:04 2005 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Sat May 7 15:00:44 2005 Subject: [Rumori] appeals court strikes down fcc's broadcast flag rules Message-ID: <20050507180004.21003.qmail@web30413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Antipiracy Rule for Broadcasts Is Struck Down By STEPHEN LABATON WASHINGTON, May 6 - A federal appeals court handed a major setback to Hollywood and the television networks on Friday when it struck down an antipiracy regulation requiring computer and television makers to use new technology that would make it difficult for consumers to copy and distribute digital programs. The unanimous ruling by the three-judge panel, in an important case at the intersection of intellectual property and technology, was a stinging rebuke for the Federal Communications Commission. The court said the commission exceeded its authority when it approved the rules in 2003. It was a significant victory for libraries, consumer groups and civil liberties organizations. They had maintained that the regulation, known as the broadcast flag rule, would stifle innovation in technology and make it more difficult for consumers and users of library services to circulate material legitimately. Although an appeal is possible, lawyers involved in the case said the fight would shift in the near term to Congress, which is already weighing legislation. Hollywood executives and their lobbyists warned that if the rule was not resurrected by Congress, studios and broadcasters would sharply limit the digital programming available over the airwaves, focusing instead on channels limited to cable and satellite services, where they have other means to control what can be copied. The Supreme Court is expected to issue a ruling soon in another closely watched case involving digital rights and intellectual property, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios v. Grokster Ltd. In that case, the court is considering whether the online services that enable copyright songs and movies to be shared freely over the Internet can be held liable themselves for copyright infringement. The rule at issue in Friday's decision would have required manufacturers to install special technology in new computers and televisions that would enable them to recognize a "broadcast flag" - specially embedded computer bits in the programs created by the studios and the networks. The new equipment would then restrict redistribution and reuse of the programs. For years, the movie studios and television networks urged the commission to adopt the rule, citing the recording industry's experience with companies like Napster and saying restrictions on copying and distributing programs by consumers were essential to the transition from analog to digital television. They maintained that without the imposition of the broadcast flag, shows would be copied and then transmitted limitlessly through the Internet, much the way music is. But the critics said that the studios and networks were unduly alarmist and that the new rule, which was to have taken effect July 1, would prevent consumers from copying and using programs for legitimate reasons. Research librarians submitted affidavits in the case contending that the broadcast flag rule would make it impossible to distribute broadcast clips and other research material over the Internet to researchers and students. Critics also maintained that the commission had overreached and had moved to regulate the Internet more tightly, ridiculing the agency in the aftermath of the rulemaking as the "federal computer commission." The rule was challenged from the moment it was issued in November 2003. The case was filed last year in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, the usual venue for challenging commission rules. The outcome of the case was signaled during oral arguments in February, when the judges aggressively questioned F.C.C. lawyers about whether the agency had exceeded its authority by setting technical standards having nothing directly to do with broadcasting transmissions. "You've gone too far," said Judge Harry T. Edwards during the oral arguments, as he pressed a government lawyer to justify how the agency could possibly set standards governing computers and the Internet. "Are washing machines next?" But the breadth of Judge Edwards's opinion was more than many lawyers had expected. "In this case, all relevant materials concerning the F.C.C.'s jurisdiction - including the words of the Communications Act of 1934, its legislative history, subsequent legislation, relevant case law, and commission practice - confirm that the F.C.C. has no authority to regulate consumer electronic devices that can be used for receipt of wire or radio communication when those devices are not engaged in the process of radio or wire transmission," Judge Edwards wrote. "And the agency's strained and implausible interpretations of the definitional provisions of the Communications Act of 1934 do not lend credence to its position. As the Supreme Court has reminded us, Congress 'does not ... hide elephants in mouse holes.' "His opinion, in American Library Association v. Federal Communications Commission, was joined by Judges David B. Sentelle and Judith W. Rogers. David Fiske, the commission's top spokesman, said that the agency did not have a comment about the decision and that the government had not decided whether it would seek an appeal either to the full Court of Appeals or to the Supreme Court. Some lawyers said it was unlikely that the Supreme Court would consider the matter as the case did not satisfy the criteria for such review. The broadcast flag rule was adopted at the urging of Michael K. Powell when he was commission chairman. It was supported by Kevin J. Martin, a commissioner at the time who became chairman this year. In recent weeks each side in the lawsuit has been talking to lawmakers in anticipation of the ruling. "Without a broadcast flag, consumers may lose access to the very best programming offered on local television," said Edward O. Fritts, chairman and chief executive of the National Association of Broadcasters. "This remedy is designed to protect against unauthorized indiscriminate redistribution of programming over the Internet." Dan Glickman, president of the Motion Picture Association of America, offered similar warnings. "If the broadcast flag cannot be used, program providers will have to weigh whether the risk of theft is too great over free, off-air broadcasting and could limit such high-quality programming to only cable, satellite and other more secure delivery systems," he said. "It is important to remember that this decision is only about the F.C.C.'s jurisdiction, not the merits of the broadcast flag itself." But Gigi B. Sohn, president of Public Knowledge, a digital rights advocacy group that led the fight against the broadcast flag rule, warned that intervention by Congress could create a new set of problems for consumers and innovators. "If Congress starts to go down the road of giving the F.C.C. broad power over new applications and technologies, who knows what comes next?" Ms. Sohn said. "This case is about the future of technology." Government officials and industry executives report that digital television has slowly been gaining in popularity. Nearly 1,500 stations, or about 90 percent of the total, now broadcast some digital programs. Industry executives project sales this year of about 15 million television sets able to receive digital programs, about half of all sets sold. Indeed, some sets already being sold are equipped for a broadcast flag. Cable televisions now have the ability to sell digital programs to as many as 90 million homes, and about 300 hours of digital programming is available each day in many markets. --- "Do you have something that begins with the letter spotlight?" http://www.animalswithinanimals.com * http://badtaste4life.com * subscribe to awiannounce, the st!/awia announce list: http://www.animalswithinanimals.com/mailman/listinfo/awiannounce Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From msimons at slackware.com Sun May 8 06:32:10 2005 From: msimons at slackware.com (M.Simons) Date: Sun May 8 07:19:25 2005 Subject: [Rumori] East-Coast USA phila musicians/performers wanted Saturday 14th Message-ID: Greetings, We've had a performer drop out and have a last-minute opening/opportunity, so I'm posting this a little wider than I originally had. I will also post our general invite/announcement/info as everybody who can get here is welcome to attend -- the event is free, to boot! The event is easily accessible right off of I-95 a mile from the Philadelphia International Airport in Philadelphia, PA My nonprofit (the Please Take Materials Exchange) is currently seeking performers/musicians to provide a soundscape for the closing reception of our current art show which is currently on display at the John Heinz Wildlife Refuge Cusano Environmental Education Center at Tinicum (down by the airport, easy to get to off of I-95). The show itself runs through May 14th when we'll be having our closing reception 6:30-9:00pm. Regular show hours are 8:30AM-4:00PM. You can see their website at http://heinz.fws.gov/ We've already scheduled for The Great Quentini, but would like to invite other interested participants to join us. Preference would be for artists who work with found sound, make their instruments out of found objects, circuit benders, dj's who use or want to experiment with those cheesy albums you found at your local thrift shop, etc. etc. although any interested parties are welcome.. thanks -- msimons@slackware.com INFORMATION*MEDIA*PHOTOGRAPHY www.michaelsimons.com Turning Old Into New?: Please Take Materials Exchange : www.pleasetake.org A 501(c)3 Non-profit Organization Arts and Environmental Resource Network Shopping Online? Use http://www.igive.com/carp/ make donations at no cost! Do you like what I do? Consider donating resources to PTME; Ask me how! From msimons at slackware.com Sun May 8 06:34:28 2005 From: msimons at slackware.com (M.Simons) Date: Sun May 8 07:19:32 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Trash to Treasure closing reception Saturday May 14th 6:30-9:00 Phila, PA Message-ID: The Please Take Materials Exchange and the John Heinz Wildlife Refuge Invite you to the Closing Party of our Trash to Treasure Art Exhibit! Cusano Environmental Center - May 14th - 6:30-9:00 8601 Lindbergh Boulevard - Philadelphia Pennsylvania Right off of I-95 one mile from the International Airport! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cusano Environmental Education Center at the John Heinz National Wildlife Refuge is featuring art made from recycled items and found objects. The exhibit features work by local artists involved in the Please Take Materials Exchange (and Philly Freecycle!) Most of the artwork is available for purchase. We cordially invite you to come celebrate with the artists and share a final viewing of the artwork at our closing reception this Saturday May 14th from 6:30-9:00 which is also International Migratory Bird Day! Trash to Treasure Exhibit Closing Reception: May 14th, 2005 6:30PM-9:00PM Open throughout the week for viewing from 8:30AM-4:00PM Cusano Environmental Education Center John Heinz Wildlife Refuge 8601 Lindbergh Blvd Philadelphia, PA 19113 (215) 365-3118 Questions via email: michael@pleasetake.org or msimons@slackware.com The exhibit features works by: Harry Anderson-Neil Benson-Carol Cole-John Connolly-Randy Dalton-George Felice-Gwen Fryer-Hugo Hsu-K.A. Hughes-John Jonik-Ann Keech-Toni Nash-Traci Nelson-Eva Preston-Joel Spivak-Michael Tantaros-Helen Waters-Isaiah Zagar The exhibit was curated by Kate McManus and Michael Simons. The closing reception will feature performances by The Great Quentini at 8:00PM as well as live music by other performers. About the Great Quentini: The Great Quentini is a mental health magician. Using alien technologies scavenged from deep in our future race memory, he transforms space into a "childhood disinhibition zone". These technologies are constructed today by the Great Quentini and use materials salvaged or trash picked to enhance their powers. About the Please Take Materials Exchange: The Please Take Materials Exchange is an arts & environmental non-profit charity which seeks to inspire creative reuse of materials. We are currently seeking a new space to make our home for the materials exchange and classrooms and appreciate any leads, input, advice or assistance in this matter. About the John Heinz National Wildlife Refuge: The John Heinz National Wildlife Refuge is administered by the Department of Interior's U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The refuge was established by an act of Congress in 1972 to protect the last 200 acres of freshwater tidal marsh in Pennsylvania. Over the years, the refuge has become a resting and feeding area for more than 280 species of birds, 80 of which nest here. Fox, deer, muskrat, turtles, fish, frogs and a wide variety of wildflowers and plants call the refuge "home". About the Cusano Environmental Education Center: The Cusano Environmental Education Center is a beautiful award-winning green building. The building was designed with the environment in mind. Using the prinicples of sustainable design, the building features: * Energy efficient lighting, heat, and cooling * Recycled materials -like flooring made from used tires, beams left over from logging operations, and decking made from recycled plastic bottles * Reduced water use-an on-site Marsh Machine greenhouse recycles waste water to flush toilets! * Native landscaping and rainwater harvesting DIRECTIONS: Public Transportation SEPTA's Route 37 and 108 buses both stop at 84th St. and Lindbergh Blvd. SEPTA's Regional Rail Line has a stop at the Eastwick Station. This is several blocks southeast of the Refuge's Main Entrance at 86th St. and Lindbergh Blvd. Driving Directions To the Main Entrance of the Refuge: >From the South: - Traveling on I-95 North, take Exit 10 (on to Rt. 291) - At the first light, turn left onto Bartram Ave. - At the fourth light, turn left onto 84th St. - At the second light, turn left onto Lindbergh Blvd. * >From the North: - Traveling on I-95 South, take Exit 14 (Bartram Ave.) - At the 5th light turn right onto 84th Street - At the second light make a left onto Lindbergh Blvd .* >From City Line, 30th Street, University City Area: - Traveling on I-76 East, stay in left lane and follow signs for Rte.291 West/I-95 South/Airport. - At the light, turn right onto Rte.291 West. - Follow signs to I-95 South. - Traveling on I-95 South, take the Rte. 291/Airport Exit 10. - Take the right fork, exiting for Rte.291/Lester. - At the first light, turn right onto Bartram Ave. - At the second light, turn left onto 84th St. - At the second light, turn left onto Lindbergh Blvd. * >From the Blue Route (I-476) - Traveling on I-476 South, stay in the left lane, and follow signs for I-95 North - Get off Exit 10 of I-95. - At the first light, turn left onto Bartram Ave. - At the 4th light, turn left onto 84th St. - At the second light, turn left onto Lindbergh Blvd. * * In each case follow Lindbergh Blvd. to first stop sign-refuge entrance on right Photos of some of the artists and their works, as well as further details can be found at http://heinz.fws.gov/ http://www.pleasetake.org/ and http://www.phillyfreecycle.org/ From pl1x at earthlink.net Tue May 10 03:50:01 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Tue May 10 03:52:12 2005 Subject: [Rumori] The History of Sampling : Visualization Message-ID: <22826332.1115722202473.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> http://jessekriss.com/projects/samplinghistory/ Click around for linked between the samplers and the samplees. (java needed) data comes from the-breaks.com so there's a big piece of the pie missing, but still fun to poke through. via boingboing.net From lists at broadcastatic.com Tue May 10 06:16:31 2005 From: lists at broadcastatic.com (tommy) Date: Tue May 10 10:27:19 2005 Subject: [Rumori] COPYRIGHT OFFICE PROPOSES REGULATIONS In-Reply-To: <22826332.1115722202473.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <22826332.1115722202473.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8813C09A-BFBD-4047-9BE7-52BFDD33A88A@broadcastatic.com> U.S. Copyright Office NewsNet May 9, 2005 Issue 257 ********************************************************** For additional information, visit the Copyright Office website at http://www.copyright.gov/ ********************************************************** * NEWS * ------------- Federal Register----------------- COPYRIGHT OFFICE PROPOSES REGULATIONS FOR NOTICE AND RECORDKEEPING FOR USE OF SOUND RECORDINGS UNDER STATUTORY LICENSES (70 FR 21704) The Copyright Office is proposing regulations for the delivery and format of records of use of sound recordings by nonsubscription transmission services (including webcasters), preexisting satellite digital audio radio services, new subscription services, and business establishment services availing themselves of the statutory licenses set forth in 17 U.S.C. 112 and 114. The Office is seeking to establish the format in which each record of use must be kept, along with directions for delivery of the data to the Receiving Agent, which is SoundExchange, Inc. The deadline for the Copyright Office to receive comments on the proposed rules is May 27. The new Copyright Royalty Judges will assume responsibility for this ongoing rulemaking proceeding on May 31. For further information, go to the Copyright Office website at http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2005/70fr21704.html AMENDMENTS TO RULES GOVERNING REPORTS OF USE OF SOUND RECORDINGS UNDER THE STATUTORY LICENSE FOR PREEXISTING SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES ADOPTED (70 FR 24309) The Copyright Office is adopting amendments to the rules governing reports of use of sound recordings under the statutory license for preexisting subscription services. The new rules are effective June 8. For further information, go to the Copyright Office website at http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2005/70fr24309.html ********************************************************* * CALENDAR * May 9: Due date for reply comments on orphan works issues (70 FR 3739) May 27: Due date for comments on proposed regulations for the delivery and format of records of use of sound recordings by eligible digital audio services (70 FR 21704) June 3: End of 30-day negotiation period in cable rate adjustment (70 FR 16306) June 6: Due date for written notification of status of settlement negotiations in cable rate adjustment (70 FR 16306) June 8: Effective date of rules governing reports of use of sound recordings under the statutory license for preexisting subscription services (70 FR 24309) ********************************************************* * TO SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE TO NEWSNET * To subscribe or unsubscribe, fill in the Web form at http://www.copyright.gov/newsnet/subchange.html or To subscribe, send an email message to: LISTSERV@loc.gov In the body of the message say: Subscribe USCopyright To unsubscribe, send an email message to: LISTSERV@loc.gov In the body of the message say: Unsubscribe USCopyright NewsNet editors request that suggestions or ideas about content or other items be submitted through our website at http://www.copyright.gov/help/ -------------------------------------------------------- b R o A d C a S t A t I c R a D i O tuesdays 11pm-1am (Eastern US time) http://www.broadcastatic.com WRIR-LP 97.3 FM, Richmond Indie Radio 1621 West Broad Street Richmond, VA 23220 http://www.wrir.org From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Wed May 11 12:04:07 2005 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (ed special) Date: Wed May 11 14:03:40 2005 Subject: [Rumori] testing Message-ID: <19343402ffac838700e58084e0718e1a@digitalrealm.net> just look away From edspecial at digitalrealm.net Thu May 12 10:17:24 2005 From: edspecial at digitalrealm.net (Ed Special) Date: Fri May 13 02:33:25 2005 Subject: [Rumori] testing 2 Message-ID: <39f6e378ca102d4d93fd45704c2c22ec@digitalrealm.net> Hmmmm... Okay, having "misplaced" the recent 15 months of all my Email, I think I'll start over with this little test... Oh, did I just say that out loud ? sorry about this one also From intothegloaming at yahoo.com Fri May 13 15:35:54 2005 From: intothegloaming at yahoo.com (grace aplomb) Date: Fri May 13 16:36:29 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Apple shuts down U2 v. Negativland iPod In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050513223554.5365.qmail@web60317.mail.yahoo.com> When Are You Guys Going To Be On vh1? ga --- Pan wrote: > That's a great idea. If you guys do that, please > document it somehow. > Actually, it would be cool to do it at Apple stores > across the country, > at the same time. > > Pan > > On Dec 7, 2004, at 3:58 PM, PeterALopez wrote: > > > Anyone wanna walk around the NYC Apple store and > proceed to get more > > and more furious and yell/sing... > > > > "I still haven't found what i'm looking FOR!" > (where's the Negland > > iPod) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From steev at detritus.net Mon May 16 18:58:20 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Mon May 16 18:58:24 2005 Subject: [Rumori] the future of detritus In-Reply-To: <419AB787-5A9F-4BC2-9C69-4953B4D05160@detritus.net> Message-ID: on Wed, 4 May 2005 eleven told me: ->OK, we can start a list. -> ->Need: -> ->RSS feed ->Blog ->Wiki can be part of it, but center should be blog (IMO) I agree about the blog versus wiki, tho a wiki might be fun for collaborative text collaging. Of course some of you may have not noticed but there is already a Detritus Blog, with an RSS Feed. detritus.net/blog we just need more people to write for it. So far Lloyd, myself, kembrew, and and peter lopez have accounts. Lloyd did a design to replace the current boring white one, but i never followed through with discussing it with him and installing it. so is anyone else interested in writing for the blog? btw the blog also has a feed agreagation of several other relevant blogs. we can add whatever others we want. suggestions? i would like to see that become a nice portal for people looking for IP/sampling/etc items in the blogosphere... ->what else? i would love if someone out there was interested in updating other areas of the site, especially the Rhizome section. anyone? Bueller? ->Um, a group of some half-dozen (intentionally vague number) people of ->vision, creativity and strong moral character, who can give it an ->hour or so three (or many more) times a week. yes! ->Interesting content. New posts often, ideally multiple times a day. yes. si. thanx everyone for your thoughts. abrazos, from Chiapas, steev Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------- "The Internet formula for success turned traditional capitalism on its head. Traditionally, a company persuaded people to invest in it by making profits. Now it persuaded people to invest in it first, and hoped profits would follow." -Michael Lewis, The New New Thing ----------------------------------------------------------------- From postconsumer01 at yahoo.com Tue May 17 13:02:51 2005 From: postconsumer01 at yahoo.com (Jon Nelson) Date: Tue May 17 14:49:38 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Re: Rumori Digest, Vol 25, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050517200252.27904.qmail@web20521.mail.yahoo.com> I'd love to do this. I could do a weekly post with the playlist from that week's episode of Some Assembly Required, and could add to that a little background on some of the artists, maybe even do a little feature of some kind. count me in. is it possible to upload photos and soundfiles to the blog? sorry, I'm new to the whole concept of "blogging" let us know when the new version (that Lloyd designed) is up and ready. looking forward, Jon Nelson www.PostConsumerProductions.com --- rumori-request@detritus.net wrote: > Send Rumori mailing list submissions to > rumori@detritus.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > rumori-request@detritus.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rumori-owner@detritus.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rumori digest..." > > > This is the latest digest for the Rumori list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: the future of detritus (Steev Hise) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Steev Hise > Subject: Re: [Rumori] the future of detritus > To: "Detritus discussion list." > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > on Wed, 4 May 2005 eleven told me: > > ->OK, we can start a list. > -> > ->Need: > -> > ->RSS feed > ->Blog > ->Wiki can be part of it, but center should be blog > (IMO) > > I agree about the blog versus wiki, tho a wiki might > be fun for > collaborative text collaging. > > Of course some of you may have not noticed but there > is already a > Detritus Blog, with an RSS Feed. > > detritus.net/blog > > we just need more people to write for it. So far > Lloyd, myself, > kembrew, and and peter lopez have accounts. Lloyd > did a design to > replace the current boring white one, but i never > followed > through with discussing it with him and installing > it. > > so is anyone else interested in writing for the > blog? > > btw the blog also has a feed agreagation of several > other > relevant blogs. we can add whatever others we want. > suggestions? > i would like to see that become a nice portal for > people looking > for IP/sampling/etc items in the blogosphere... > > ->what else? > > i would love if someone out there was interested in > updating > other areas of the site, especially the Rhizome > section. anyone? > Bueller? > > ->Um, a group of some half-dozen (intentionally > vague number) people of > ->vision, creativity and strong moral character, who > can give it an > ->hour or so three (or many more) times a week. > > yes! > > ->Interesting content. New posts often, ideally > multiple times a day. > > yes. si. > > thanx everyone for your thoughts. > > abrazos, from Chiapas, > > steev > > Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | > http://detritus.net/steev > Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: > http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html > blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: > http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > "The Internet formula for success turned > traditional > capitalism on its head. Traditionally, a company > persuaded > people to invest in it by making profits. Now it > persuaded people to invest in it first, and hoped > profits would follow." > -Michael Lewis, The New New Thing > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > > > End of Rumori Digest, Vol 25, Issue 13 > ************************************** > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Tue May 17 15:09:47 2005 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Tue May 17 15:10:24 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Re: Rumori Digest, Vol 25, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <20050517200252.27904.qmail@web20521.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050517220947.34390.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Jon Nelson wrote: > I'd love to do this. I could do a weekly post with the > playlist from that week's episode of Some Assembly > Required, and could add to that a little background on > some of the artists, maybe even do a little feature of > some kind. count me in. is it possible to upload > photos and soundfiles to the blog? sorry, I'm new to > the whole concept of "blogging" let us know when the > new version (that Lloyd designed) is up and ready. yeah, i almost forgot, but i would definitely be interested in participating in the rumori blog. i can't promise i would post often, but i could at least post when i come across interesting IP-related stories, etc. jon, while i'm not very familiar with movable type (the blogging service currently used by the detritus blog; i've always used blogger), i can verify that movable type does have a feature to upload files. if it works anything like blogger's upload feature, it's probably fairly automatic and generates the html for you to link or embed your files, as desired. blogging interfaces are designed to be very user-friendly. --- "why did i almost blow my eardrums out on these shitballs?" http://www.animalswithinanimals.com * http://badtaste4life.com * subscribe to awiannounce, the st!/awia announce list: http://www.animalswithinanimals.com/mailman/listinfo/awiannounce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From steev at detritus.net Tue May 17 17:34:02 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Tue May 17 17:34:06 2005 Subject: [Rumori] detritus blog, etc In-Reply-To: <20050517200252.27904.qmail@web20521.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: on Tue, 17 May 2005 Jon Nelson told me: ->I'd love to do this. I could do a weekly post with the ->playlist from that week's episode of Some Assembly ->Required, and could add to that a little background on ->some of the artists, maybe even do a little feature of thats great to hear, jon. cool. i will email you privately and set up an account for you, and show you how to work it. ->some kind. count me in. is it possible to upload ->photos and soundfiles to the blog? sorry, I'm new to yes, you can upload photos and well theoretically any file. its easier than creating a webpage from scratch for sure. teh interface is nice. its using moveable type. ->the whole concept of "blogging" let us know when the ->new version (that Lloyd designed) is up and ready. lloyd made a mockup but i forget where he put it. maybe he could post that url again and people coule provide feedback. (the tapebeatles are touring italy, i hear, so maybe he will take awhile to reply...) who else is interested in writing for the blog? best, smh ->www.PostConsumerProductions.com -> ->--- rumori-request@detritus.net wrote: ->> Send Rumori mailing list submissions to ->> rumori@detritus.net ->> ->> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, ->> visit ->> http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->> or, via email, send a message with subject or body ->> 'help' to ->> rumori-request@detritus.net ->> ->> You can reach the person managing the list at ->> rumori-owner@detritus.net ->> ->> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it ->> is more specific ->> than "Re: Contents of Rumori digest..." ->> ->> ->> This is the latest digest for the Rumori list. ->> ->> Today's Topics: ->> ->> 1. Re: the future of detritus (Steev Hise) ->> ->> ->> ->---------------------------------------------------------------------- ->> ->> Message: 1 ->> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT) ->> From: Steev Hise ->> Subject: Re: [Rumori] the future of detritus ->> To: "Detritus discussion list." ->> ->> Message-ID: ->> ->> -> ->> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ->> ->> on Wed, 4 May 2005 eleven told me: ->> ->> ->OK, we can start a list. ->> -> ->> ->Need: ->> -> ->> ->RSS feed ->> ->Blog ->> ->Wiki can be part of it, but center should be blog ->> (IMO) ->> ->> I agree about the blog versus wiki, tho a wiki might ->> be fun for ->> collaborative text collaging. ->> ->> Of course some of you may have not noticed but there ->> is already a ->> Detritus Blog, with an RSS Feed. ->> ->> detritus.net/blog ->> ->> we just need more people to write for it. So far ->> Lloyd, myself, ->> kembrew, and and peter lopez have accounts. Lloyd ->> did a design to ->> replace the current boring white one, but i never ->> followed ->> through with discussing it with him and installing ->> it. ->> ->> so is anyone else interested in writing for the ->> blog? ->> ->> btw the blog also has a feed agreagation of several ->> other ->> relevant blogs. we can add whatever others we want. ->> suggestions? ->> i would like to see that become a nice portal for ->> people looking ->> for IP/sampling/etc items in the blogosphere... ->> ->> ->what else? ->> ->> i would love if someone out there was interested in ->> updating ->> other areas of the site, especially the Rhizome ->> section. anyone? ->> Bueller? ->> ->> ->Um, a group of some half-dozen (intentionally ->> vague number) people of ->> ->vision, creativity and strong moral character, who ->> can give it an ->> ->hour or so three (or many more) times a week. ->> ->> yes! ->> ->> ->Interesting content. New posts often, ideally ->> multiple times a day. ->> ->> yes. si. ->> ->> thanx everyone for your thoughts. ->> ->> abrazos, from Chiapas, ->> ->> steev ->> ->> Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | ->> http://detritus.net/steev ->> Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: ->> http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html ->> blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: ->> http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ->> ->----------------------------------------------------------------- ->> "The Internet formula for success turned ->> traditional ->> capitalism on its head. Traditionally, a company ->> persuaded ->> people to invest in it by making profits. Now it ->> persuaded people to invest in it first, and hoped ->> profits would follow." ->> -Michael Lewis, The New New Thing ->> ->----------------------------------------------------------------- ->> ->> ->> ->> ->> ------------------------------ ->> ->> _______________________________________________ ->> Rumori mailing list ->> Rumori@detritus.net ->> http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->> ->> ->> End of Rumori Digest, Vol 25, Issue 13 ->> ************************************** ->> -> -> -> ->__________________________________ ->Do you Yahoo!? ->Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ->http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -> ->_______________________________________________ ->Rumori mailing list ->Rumori@detritus.net ->http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ -> Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Better not to think at all than to think half way." -Haruki Murakami ----------------------------------------------------------------- From dj3 at starttransmission.com Wed May 18 05:54:50 2005 From: dj3 at starttransmission.com (Susan M. King) Date: Wed May 18 06:35:35 2005 Subject: [Rumori] detritus blog, etc In-Reply-To: References: <20050517200252.27904.qmail@web20521.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050518224651.02e4c560@mail.detritus.net> Hey hey... Count me in, I'll do the random occasional post for sure. I know Blogger et al, not across moveable type yet ( how 2001 of me!!) rs'pct Susan Antediluvian Rocking Horse http://www.starttransmission.com "We Plot the Lost" Underwritten by the Cultural Mechanics Institute "Letting the Left Hand Know What the Right Hand is Doing Since 1995" At 10:34 AM 18/05/05, you wrote: >on Tue, 17 May 2005 Jon Nelson told me: > >->I'd love to do this. I could do a weekly post with the >->playlist from that week's episode of Some Assembly >->Required, and could add to that a little background on >->some of the artists, maybe even do a little feature of > >thats great to hear, jon. cool. i will email you privately and >set up an account for you, and show you how to work it. > >->some kind. count me in. is it possible to upload >->photos and soundfiles to the blog? sorry, I'm new to > >yes, you can upload photos and well theoretically any file. >its easier than creating a webpage from scratch for sure. >teh interface is nice. its using moveable type. > >->the whole concept of "blogging" let us know when the >->new version (that Lloyd designed) is up and ready. > >lloyd made a mockup but i forget where he put it. maybe he could >post that url again and people coule provide feedback. >(the tapebeatles are touring italy, i hear, so maybe he will take >awhile to reply...) > >who else is interested in writing for the blog? > >best, > >smh > > >->www.PostConsumerProductions.com >-> >->--- rumori-request@detritus.net wrote: >->> Send Rumori mailing list submissions to >->> rumori@detritus.net >->> >->> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >->> visit >->> http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >->> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >->> 'help' to >->> rumori-request@detritus.net >->> >->> You can reach the person managing the list at >->> rumori-owner@detritus.net >->> >->> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it >->> is more specific >->> than "Re: Contents of Rumori digest..." >->> >->> >->> This is the latest digest for the Rumori list. >->> >->> Today's Topics: >->> >->> 1. Re: the future of detritus (Steev Hise) >->> >->> >->> >->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >->> >->> Message: 1 >->> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT) >->> From: Steev Hise >->> Subject: Re: [Rumori] the future of detritus >->> To: "Detritus discussion list." >->> >->> Message-ID: >->> >->> >-> >->> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >->> >->> on Wed, 4 May 2005 eleven told me: >->> >->> ->OK, we can start a list. >->> -> >->> ->Need: >->> -> >->> ->RSS feed >->> ->Blog >->> ->Wiki can be part of it, but center should be blog >->> (IMO) >->> >->> I agree about the blog versus wiki, tho a wiki might >->> be fun for >->> collaborative text collaging. >->> >->> Of course some of you may have not noticed but there >->> is already a >->> Detritus Blog, with an RSS Feed. >->> >->> detritus.net/blog >->> >->> we just need more people to write for it. So far >->> Lloyd, myself, >->> kembrew, and and peter lopez have accounts. Lloyd >->> did a design to >->> replace the current boring white one, but i never >->> followed >->> through with discussing it with him and installing >->> it. >->> >->> so is anyone else interested in writing for the >->> blog? >->> >->> btw the blog also has a feed agreagation of several >->> other >->> relevant blogs. we can add whatever others we want. >->> suggestions? >->> i would like to see that become a nice portal for >->> people looking >->> for IP/sampling/etc items in the blogosphere... >->> >->> ->what else? >->> >->> i would love if someone out there was interested in >->> updating >->> other areas of the site, especially the Rhizome >->> section. anyone? >->> Bueller? >->> >->> ->Um, a group of some half-dozen (intentionally >->> vague number) people of >->> ->vision, creativity and strong moral character, who >->> can give it an >->> ->hour or so three (or many more) times a week. >->> >->> yes! >->> >->> ->Interesting content. New posts often, ideally >->> multiple times a day. >->> >->> yes. si. >->> >->> thanx everyone for your thoughts. >->> >->> abrazos, from Chiapas, >->> >->> steev >->> >->> Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | >->> http://detritus.net/steev >->> Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: >->> http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html >->> blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: >->> http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt >->> >->----------------------------------------------------------------- >->> "The Internet formula for success turned >->> traditional >->> capitalism on its head. Traditionally, a company >->> persuaded >->> people to invest in it by making profits. Now it >->> persuaded people to invest in it first, and hoped >->> profits would follow." >->> -Michael Lewis, The New New Thing >->> >->----------------------------------------------------------------- >->> >->> >->> >->> >->> ------------------------------ >->> >->> _______________________________________________ >->> Rumori mailing list >->> Rumori@detritus.net >->> http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >->> >->> >->> End of Rumori Digest, Vol 25, Issue 13 >->> ************************************** >->> >-> >-> >-> >->__________________________________ >->Do you Yahoo!? >->Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. >->http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >-> >->_______________________________________________ >->Rumori mailing list >->Rumori@detritus.net >->http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >->older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ >-> > > >Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev >Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: >http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html >blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt >----------------------------------------------------------------- >"Better not to think at all than to think half way." > -Haruki Murakami >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >Rumori mailing list >Rumori@detritus.net >http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori >older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From steev at detritus.net Wed May 18 09:40:41 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Wed May 18 09:40:46 2005 Subject: [Rumori] detritus blog, etc In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20050518224651.02e4c560@mail.detritus.net> Message-ID: on Wed, 18 May 2005 Susan M. King told me: ->Hey hey... -> ->Count me in, I'll do the random occasional post for sure. ->I know Blogger et al, not across moveable type yet ( how 2001 of me!!) cool! what do you want your username to be? best, smh -> ->rs'pct ->Susan -> ->Antediluvian Rocking Horse ->http://www.starttransmission.com ->"We Plot the Lost" ->Underwritten by the Cultural Mechanics Institute ->"Letting the Left Hand Know What the Right Hand is Doing Since 1995" -> -> ->At 10:34 AM 18/05/05, you wrote: ->>on Tue, 17 May 2005 Jon Nelson told me: ->> ->>->I'd love to do this. I could do a weekly post with the ->>->playlist from that week's episode of Some Assembly ->>->Required, and could add to that a little background on ->>->some of the artists, maybe even do a little feature of ->> ->>thats great to hear, jon. cool. i will email you privately and ->>set up an account for you, and show you how to work it. ->> ->>->some kind. count me in. is it possible to upload ->>->photos and soundfiles to the blog? sorry, I'm new to ->> ->>yes, you can upload photos and well theoretically any file. ->>its easier than creating a webpage from scratch for sure. ->>teh interface is nice. its using moveable type. ->> ->>->the whole concept of "blogging" let us know when the ->>->new version (that Lloyd designed) is up and ready. ->> ->>lloyd made a mockup but i forget where he put it. maybe he could ->>post that url again and people coule provide feedback. ->>(the tapebeatles are touring italy, i hear, so maybe he will take ->>awhile to reply...) ->> ->>who else is interested in writing for the blog? ->> ->>best, ->> ->>smh ->> ->> ->>->www.PostConsumerProductions.com ->>-> ->>->--- rumori-request@detritus.net wrote: ->>->> Send Rumori mailing list submissions to ->>->> rumori@detritus.net ->>->> ->>->> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, ->>->> visit ->>->> http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->>->> or, via email, send a message with subject or body ->>->> 'help' to ->>->> rumori-request@detritus.net ->>->> ->>->> You can reach the person managing the list at ->>->> rumori-owner@detritus.net ->>->> ->>->> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it ->>->> is more specific ->>->> than "Re: Contents of Rumori digest..." ->>->> ->>->> ->>->> This is the latest digest for the Rumori list. ->>->> ->>->> Today's Topics: ->>->> ->>->> 1. Re: the future of detritus (Steev Hise) ->>->> ->>->> ->>->> ->>->---------------------------------------------------------------------- ->>->> ->>->> Message: 1 ->>->> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT) ->>->> From: Steev Hise ->>->> Subject: Re: [Rumori] the future of detritus ->>->> To: "Detritus discussion list." ->>->> ->>->> Message-ID: ->>->> ->>->> ->>-> ->>->> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ->>->> ->>->> on Wed, 4 May 2005 eleven told me: ->>->> ->>->> ->OK, we can start a list. ->>->> -> ->>->> ->Need: ->>->> -> ->>->> ->RSS feed ->>->> ->Blog ->>->> ->Wiki can be part of it, but center should be blog ->>->> (IMO) ->>->> ->>->> I agree about the blog versus wiki, tho a wiki might ->>->> be fun for ->>->> collaborative text collaging. ->>->> ->>->> Of course some of you may have not noticed but there ->>->> is already a ->>->> Detritus Blog, with an RSS Feed. ->>->> ->>->> detritus.net/blog ->>->> ->>->> we just need more people to write for it. So far ->>->> Lloyd, myself, ->>->> kembrew, and and peter lopez have accounts. Lloyd ->>->> did a design to ->>->> replace the current boring white one, but i never ->>->> followed ->>->> through with discussing it with him and installing ->>->> it. ->>->> ->>->> so is anyone else interested in writing for the ->>->> blog? ->>->> ->>->> btw the blog also has a feed agreagation of several ->>->> other ->>->> relevant blogs. we can add whatever others we want. ->>->> suggestions? ->>->> i would like to see that become a nice portal for ->>->> people looking ->>->> for IP/sampling/etc items in the blogosphere... ->>->> ->>->> ->what else? ->>->> ->>->> i would love if someone out there was interested in ->>->> updating ->>->> other areas of the site, especially the Rhizome ->>->> section. anyone? ->>->> Bueller? ->>->> ->>->> ->Um, a group of some half-dozen (intentionally ->>->> vague number) people of ->>->> ->vision, creativity and strong moral character, who ->>->> can give it an ->>->> ->hour or so three (or many more) times a week. ->>->> ->>->> yes! ->>->> ->>->> ->Interesting content. New posts often, ideally ->>->> multiple times a day. ->>->> ->>->> yes. si. ->>->> ->>->> thanx everyone for your thoughts. ->>->> ->>->> abrazos, from Chiapas, ->>->> ->>->> steev ->>->> ->>->> Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | ->>->> http://detritus.net/steev ->>->> Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: ->>->> http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html ->>->> blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: ->>->> http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ->>->> ->>->----------------------------------------------------------------- ->>->> "The Internet formula for success turned ->>->> traditional ->>->> capitalism on its head. Traditionally, a company ->>->> persuaded ->>->> people to invest in it by making profits. Now it ->>->> persuaded people to invest in it first, and hoped ->>->> profits would follow." ->>->> -Michael Lewis, The New New Thing ->>->> ->>->----------------------------------------------------------------- ->>->> ->>->> ->>->> ->>->> ->>->> ------------------------------ ->>->> ->>->> _______________________________________________ ->>->> Rumori mailing list ->>->> Rumori@detritus.net ->>->> http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->>->> ->>->> ->>->> End of Rumori Digest, Vol 25, Issue 13 ->>->> ************************************** ->>->> ->>-> ->>-> ->>-> ->>->__________________________________ ->>->Do you Yahoo!? ->>->Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ->>->http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ->>-> ->>->_______________________________________________ ->>->Rumori mailing list ->>->Rumori@detritus.net ->>->http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->>->older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ ->>-> ->> ->> ->>Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev ->>Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: ->>http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html ->>blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ->>----------------------------------------------------------------- ->>"Better not to think at all than to think half way." ->> -Haruki Murakami ->>----------------------------------------------------------------- ->> ->> ->>_______________________________________________ ->>Rumori mailing list ->>Rumori@detritus.net ->>http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->>older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ -> -> ->_______________________________________________ ->Rumori mailing list ->Rumori@detritus.net ->http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori ->older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ -> Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------- "...so long as capitalism survives, human relations and conciousness will be fragmented and distorted. Unity is impossible in a competitive, exploitative consumer society." -Chris Cutler ----------------------------------------------------------------- From steev at detritus.net Wed May 18 09:44:08 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Wed May 18 09:44:13 2005 Subject: [Rumori] detritus blog, etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on Wed, 18 May 2005 Steev Hise told me: ->cool! what do you want your username to be? oop, sorry bout that, that was meant just for susan. anyway, tho, i have another question: Does anyone have any ideas about the topics? Right now on the blog there are these topics: works, news, legal action, and site news. should there be more? best, smh Steev Hise | steev@detritus.net | http://detritus.net/steev Donate to the Computers for Bolivia Project: http://villaingenio.org/computers/donate.html blog: http://steev.hise.org | gpg public key: http://steev.hise.org/gpgkey.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------- "...so long as capitalism survives, human relations and conciousness will be fragmented and distorted. Unity is impossible in a competitive, exploitative consumer society." -Chris Cutler ----------------------------------------------------------------- From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Wed May 18 12:44:33 2005 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stalliongsta@yahoo.com) Date: Wed May 18 12:44:42 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars Message-ID: ((((((((( Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars ))))))))) May 18, 2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ henry jenkins is director of comparative media studies for MIT and was one of the first in the academic community to research fandom and fan culture, in particular fan-generated art such as fan fiction, fan films, and filk (fan-generated folk music). jenkins was recently interviewed on cnet regarding how companies such as lucasarts respond to fan films and similar phenomena. for example, lucasfilms recently partnered with atomfilms to distribute independent star wars-related films, and even had an official fan film contest, but with some fairly strict rules: "You can only use these sounds we provide you, you can't use copyrighted materials and appropriate or recontextualize it, you can do parodies, but you can't do dramatic expansions of the "Star Wars" universe." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://detritus.net/blog/archives/000357.html -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.661 http://www.movabletype.org/ From pl1x at earthlink.net Wed May 18 12:57:44 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Wed May 18 13:00:44 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars Message-ID: <24987002.1116446265182.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Ok some records need to be set straight before this one gets out of hand. If you read the CNET article you will notice the replies happened pretty quick and we're very much against the premise of the article. One of theforce.net member wrote a rebuttal piece setting the record straighter: http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/story/Editorial_CNet_Article_Just_Plain_Wrong_91884.asp and the author of the original CNET article wrote a response: http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/CNet_Media_Expert_Talks_to_TFN_92570.asp where he explains how some of the melarky came about. Please read those before commenting. but in the end this originally is/was kinda crap. PeterALopez -----Original Message----- From: stalliongsta@yahoo.com Sent: May 18, 2005 3:44 PM To: Cc: rumori@detritus.net Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars ((((((((( Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars ))))))))) May 18, 2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ henry jenkins is director of comparative media studies for MIT and was one of the first in the academic community to research fandom and fan culture, in particular fan-generated art such as fan fiction, fan films, and filk (fan-generated folk music). jenkins was recently interviewed on cnet regarding how companies such as lucasarts respond to fan films and similar phenomena. for example, lucasfilms recently partnered with atomfilms to distribute independent star wars-related films, and even had an official fan film contest, but with some fairly strict rules: "You can only use these sounds we provide you, you can't use copyrighted materials and appropriate or recontextualize it, you can do parodies, but you can't do dramatic expansions of the "Star Wars" universe." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://detritus.net/blog/archives/000357.html -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.661 http://www.movabletype.org/ _______________________________________________ Rumori mailing list Rumori@detritus.net http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Wed May 18 13:12:47 2005 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stAllio! the original wanksta) Date: Wed May 18 13:13:21 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050518201247.22076.qmail@web30413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- PeterALopez wrote: > Ok some records need to be set straight before this one gets out of > hand. If you read the CNET article you will notice the replies > happened pretty quick and we're very much against the premise of the > article. > > One of theforce.net member wrote a rebuttal piece setting the record > straighter: > http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/story/Editorial_CNet_Article_Just_Plain_Wrong_91884.asp > > and the author of the original CNET article wrote a response: > http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/CNet_Media_Expert_Talks_to_TFN_92570.asp > where he explains how some of the melarky came about. > > Please read those before commenting. but in the end this originally > is/was kinda crap. as far as reading before commenting goes, if you read the actual blog entry, you'll see that i already discussed and linked to both those articles. but you can only fit so much into the "excerpt" field, so i just included the first two paragraphs. what do you think was the "premise" of the article? jenkins' comments about gender issues? (that women write fanfic and men produce fanfilm?) i thought the stuff about how lucasarts etc interact with the fan community, as in what content is okay and what isn't, was more interesting, and is what i focused my post on. --- "why did i almost blow my eardrums out on these shitballs?" http://www.animalswithinanimals.com * http://badtaste4life.com * subscribe to awiannounce, the st!/awia announce list: http://www.animalswithinanimals.com/mailman/listinfo/awiannounce Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From pl1x at earthlink.net Wed May 18 13:34:26 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Wed May 18 13:37:20 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars Message-ID: <5146675.1116448466387.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Yeah, it's always fun to get caught in your own trap. sorry when it comes to SW recently i've been emersed in sound bites so running into someone taking the time to do some research threw me obviously, i jumped the gun and typed all willy nilly, i apologize to the participants of the list. (now keep in mind my mind set hasn't shifted too much in the last few mintues so maybe this is all shit too.) The 'premise' of the article seems to have been to draw attention to the book. and well it's worked. As for the gender issues, it's fun to generalize but you when you apply that generalization to a specific issue or person it's not going to work in every case. and there are a ton of fan films. the argument works just as well as that Harvard (math) professors or Vicente (black) Fox's. As for Lucasarts, they act like a corporate entitiy. Not too consistent. When the press is high they get more restrictive and as attention wains, they get more lax. they recently shut down the 1337 RotS trailer: http://nuar.lunarpages.com/video/SW_mirrors.htm While at the same time having the C3 fan film contest. well this post sucks ass. but to continue with the blog's last paragraph about how media organizations are attempting to learn to deal with fan culture. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/15/179251&tid=155&tid=129&tid=95 an /. post about how after the Sci-Fi channel gave away for free copies of their new show Battle Star Gallatica the ratings went up. and how this contradicts the MPAA's targeting of BT sites. but the later has to do with DVD sales and the first has to do with advertising ratings. PeterAPostingWithoutReadingFucktardLopez -----Original Message----- From: stAllio! the original wanksta Subject: Re: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars as far as reading before commenting goes, if you read the actual blog entry, you'll see that i already discussed and linked to both those articles. but you can only fit so much into the "excerpt" field, so i just included the first two paragraphs. what do you think was the "premise" of the article? jenkins' comments about gender issues? (that women write fanfic and men produce fanfilm?) i thought the stuff about how lucasarts etc interact with the fan community, as in what content is okay and what isn't, was more interesting, and is what i focused my post on. From djbatman at olografix.org Wed May 18 14:41:28 2005 From: djbatman at olografix.org (Nicola Battista (Dj Batman)) Date: Wed May 18 15:14:54 2005 Subject: [Rumori] detritus blog, etc In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20050518224651.02e4c560@mail.detritus.net> References: <20050517200252.27904.qmail@web20521.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.1.1.0.20050518224651.02e4c560@mail.detritus.net> Message-ID: <4303.62.123.15.1.1116452488.squirrel@www.olografix.org> listen guys... i'd love to say "count me in" too... but my life has become so busy and different recently... that I almost dont have time for anything I used to do... especially since my son (Roberto aka Dj Robin) ;)) was born last august who knows, maybe in the future? Nicola (Dj Batman) p.s. for Susan... I'm very sorry, your appearance in here just reminded me I have a mail from you from last year and I haven't replied yet (errrrr) :((((((((( From andrew.grant2 at verizon.net Wed May 18 17:05:47 2005 From: andrew.grant2 at verizon.net (Andrew Grant) Date: Wed May 18 22:00:33 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars In-Reply-To: <5146675.1116448466387.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <010c01c55c06$82dd0850$6401a8c0@VAIO> Hello all -- I recently wrote a piece on the FECA bill that Bush signed about two weeks ago. Doesn't FECA now protect people who do fan edits, as long as they don't try and sell it? At the very least, it could make for an interesting court case. Though their intention was to allow Christian companies (namely ClearPlay) to make "family friendly" edits, there's nothing in the bill that limits it to those type of edits. > -----Original Message----- > From: rumori-bounces@detritus.net [mailto:rumori-bounces@detritus.net] On > Behalf Of PeterALopez > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:34 PM > To: Detritus discussion list. > Subject: Re: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star > wars > > Yeah, it's always fun to get caught in your own trap. sorry when it comes > to SW recently i've been emersed in sound bites so running into someone > taking the time to do some research threw me obviously, i jumped the gun > and typed all willy nilly, i apologize to the participants of the list. > (now keep in mind my mind set hasn't shifted too much in the last few > mintues so maybe this is all shit too.) > > The 'premise' of the article seems to have been to draw attention to the > book. and well it's worked. > > As for the gender issues, it's fun to generalize but you when you apply > that generalization to a specific issue or person it's not going to work > in every case. and there are a ton of fan films. the argument works just > as well as that Harvard (math) professors or Vicente (black) Fox's. > > As for Lucasarts, they act like a corporate entitiy. Not too consistent. > When the press is high they get more restrictive and as attention wains, > they get more lax. they recently shut down the 1337 RotS trailer: > http://nuar.lunarpages.com/video/SW_mirrors.htm > While at the same time having the C3 fan film contest. > > well this post sucks ass. > > but to continue with the blog's last paragraph about how media > organizations are attempting to learn to deal with fan culture. > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/15/179251&tid=155&tid=129&tid > =95 > an /. post about how after the Sci-Fi channel gave away for free copies of > their new show Battle Star Gallatica the ratings went up. and how this > contradicts the MPAA's targeting of BT sites. but the later has to do > with DVD sales and the first has to do with advertising ratings. > > PeterAPostingWithoutReadingFucktardLopez > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stAllio! the original wanksta > Subject: Re: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star > wars > > as far as reading before commenting goes, if you read the actual blog > entry, you'll see that i already discussed and linked to both those > articles. but you can only fit so much into the "excerpt" field, so i > just included the first two paragraphs. > > what do you think was the "premise" of the article? jenkins' comments > about gender issues? (that women write fanfic and men produce fanfilm?) > i thought the stuff about how lucasarts etc interact with the fan > community, as in what content is okay and what isn't, was more > interesting, and is what i focused my post on. > > _______________________________________________ > Rumori mailing list > Rumori@detritus.net > http://detritus.net/mailman/listinfo/rumori > older archives: http://detritus.net/contact/rumori/ From stiegler_z at graffiti.net Thu May 19 07:44:18 2005 From: stiegler_z at graffiti.net (Zack Stiegler) Date: Thu May 19 08:44:48 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars Message-ID: <20050519144418.4E8D913EFB@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> I don't think the bill addresses fan edits, nor does it specifically allow clean edits to be produced. However, it does allows for technology to be manufactured and marketed that allows users to bypass offensive content for family viewing. It also allows for home software to make such discs for private use, but the discs themselves must not be 'fixed' - all of the original content must be on the disc. An interesting move nonetheless. -Zack "'Till there was rock, you only had god." -Bowie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Grant" To: "'Detritus discussion list.'" Subject: RE: [Rumori] Detritus Update: fan fiction, fan film, and star wars Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:05:47 -0400 > > Hello all -- > > I recently wrote a piece on the FECA bill that Bush signed about two weeks > ago. Doesn't FECA now protect people who do fan edits, as long as they don't > try and sell it? At the very least, it could make for an interesting court > case. Though their intention was to allow Christian companies (namely > ClearPlay) to make "family friendly" edits, there's nothing in the bill that > limits it to those type of edits. -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze From stalliongsta at yahoo.com Sun May 22 10:51:45 2005 From: stalliongsta at yahoo.com (stalliongsta@yahoo.com) Date: Sun May 22 10:51:56 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Detritus Update: copyright used to censor cross-casted "huck finn" Message-ID: (( Detritus Update: copyright used to censor cross-casted "huck finn" )) May 22, 2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "cross-casting" is an increasingly popular trend in film and theater, where a role traditionally know for being one race is is played by an actor of another: ving rhames is the new kojack, michael clarke duncan played the kingpin in... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://detritus.net/blog/archives/000360.html -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.661 http://www.movabletype.org/ From david at locarecords.com Thu May 26 10:42:03 2005 From: david at locarecords.com (David Meme) Date: Thu May 26 16:14:42 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Ward Video Animation Message-ID: <0A02D145-C9DD-4074-AC47-DFCCF6561838@locarecords.com> Ward are pleased to release their first music video, a short animation by David Meme. Please feel free to download, watch then mash, remix and reuse. http://www.locarecords.com/video/Ward-GCC-BBHIgh.mov More info at: http://www.wearericharddavid.com From david at locarecords.com Fri May 27 05:04:49 2005 From: david at locarecords.com (David Meme) Date: Fri May 27 08:27:16 2005 Subject: [Rumori] WARD MUSIC VIDEO: Better link Message-ID: Hi This is a much better link for the Ward animation video: http://www.locarecords.com/news.html There are two versions, small and large and also a link to the archive.org which has a full version (i.e. 1 gig full quality) to be cut up, reused etc... Cheers David http://www.locarecords.com From pan at sensoryresearch.com Sun May 29 18:44:17 2005 From: pan at sensoryresearch.com (Pan) Date: Sun May 29 19:47:17 2005 Subject: [Rumori] Pludercast Test Stream II Tonight Message-ID: <8A49D387-323C-4376-830D-9B8B6417DD10@sensoryresearch.com> Over on Snuggles, we're gearing up for a network based project (Plundercast 2005). Tonight, we're testing our streaming setup with various DJs/Performers. Tune in throughout the night for all types of creative chaos. Listen: http://neptune.sensoryresearch.com:8005 Schedule and chat info: http://sensoryresearch.com:15000/cgi-bin/WebObjects/srn.woa/wa/ newsViewer?id=44&grid=7 Also, you can still sign up to DJ/perform tonight. Email me if interested. Pan From pl1x at earthlink.net Mon May 30 09:46:19 2005 From: pl1x at earthlink.net (PeterALopez) Date: Mon May 30 09:46:24 2005 Subject: [Rumori] No Beatles on Voyager & Negland's No Biz 4 Sale/Articles Message-ID: <19413360.1117471579411.JavaMail.root@wamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> "2007 marks the 30th anniversary of the launch of the Voyager I and II spacecraft to study the outer solor system." (cut) "We wanted to send ???Here Comes The Sun??? by the Beatles, and all four Beatles gave their approval. But the Beatles did not own the copyright, and the legal status of the piece seemed too murky to risk." Full report at: http://www.hallucinogenesis.net/blog/?p=3 via Boingboing.net Negativland's "No Business" is available for purchase: http://www.negativland.com/nmol/cds.html Some reviews/articles on the band/album http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-05-25/music/music.html http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050525/SAMPLE25/TPEntertainment/TopStories http://avclub.theonion.com/music/index.php?issue=4121&r=5 http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:py2ibkd9dakc&writer=1 http://www.boingboing.net/2005/05/05/negativlands_latest_.html http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_04.28.05/music/negativland.html http://www.fanaticpromotion.com/current/negativland_no.html#bio http://66.129.120.50/home_page.asp?more=15 http://p2pnet.net/story/3747 http://www.2600.com/offthehook/mp3files/2004/off_the_hook__20040922.mp3 http://www.2600.com/offthehook/2004/0904.html http://www.thewire.co.uk/web/mp3.php http://www.trustthedj.com/MarkMoore/news_article.php?news_id=2207&djid=1726 http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/lcp/articles/lcp66dWinterSpring2003p239.htm http://law.duke.edu/journals/66LCPNegativland http://www.negativland.com/nobiz/index.html From steev at detritus.net Mon May 30 10:31:32 2005 From: steev at detritus.net (Steev Hise) Date: Mon May 30 10:31:35 2005 Subject: [Rumori] help detritus Message-ID: hola, rumorites, This is just a reminder that Detritus.net has an ongoing need for monetary assistance, especially when its webmaster yours truly is unemployed and wandering latin america. 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