[rumori] FAQ Q

Steev [rumori] FAQ Q
Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (00905962048, Pine.LNX.4.03.9809160835340.1063-100000atflotsam.detritus.net)

Question number 473: Is this just about Music?

Answer: No. Detritus is concerned with all art forms. Since the creator
of the site is mainly a composer, it started out being mostly about
sound and music. but the intention is to give equal attention to
other media.

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 The Evolution Control Committee wrote:


>From: Fluxisataol.com:
>>
>>1. What about Copyright? (an introduction to fair use, etc)
>
> Wonder if www.negativland.com might have an easy made boilerplate
>answer for this... hey, we could sample it from them! For that matter, they
>might have the answers to a lot of this stuff. Or not; they might only have
>links to buy their stuff with not much else but pretty cake pictures. I
>haven't looked at their site for a while.

I wish Don Joyce was on this list...


>>2. Who started all this? (May mention Burroughs, Negativland's trials, Dada,
>>etc)
>
> Wow, this could be as deep diving a question as you like it to be.
>Suggested routes: Pierre Henry [& Schaeffer], Cage, Negativland of course,
>John Oswald, but then also some things like Dickie Goodman (did those
>interview-style novelty singles where a band/song quote answers the
>questions), Coldcut (early proponent of sample-heavy dance music)...
>Greater Than One... um... hmmm, my brains in a pretzel twist right now.
>I'll suggest more tomorrow when that drink or two has worn off.

See above. this isnt just about music. I'm diving deeper!!

I would start earlier with Luigi Russolo musically, and otherwise, Picasso
and Braque, Max Ernst, etc. Maybe even earlier, with folk art & music.
See this is what I mean. when people say repeatedly oh yeah it started
with Grandmaster Flash or even Negativland or something, i get really
frustrated.

Anyone see the film "Modulations"? 90-odd minutes about various DJ's and ravers, 5 minutes about Cage, Stockhausen, and Henri. Iara Lee the
film maker actually didnt want to include the latter at all but so many
techno artists were mentioning them as major influences that she just
"had" to put them in. grrrr.

>>3. Just what the hell is "re-appropriation," anyway? (and comment on
>the >"meaning" >that it tries to achieve)

Umm, yeah, what IS RE-appropriation?

(Is that the same as re-re-re-appropriation? what about
un-re-de-apropration-ism-ification?)


> Some synonyms might be good to mention... or a glossary in general...

yes, i've been wanting a glossary for ages. Yes. very important!!!


>Sample
>[Re-]Appropriation
>Copyright [Law]
>Electro-quoting
>Plundering
>Collage
>Musique Concrete

more: Ready-Made, Plagiarism(tm), Detournment, found-sound (and the fact
that found-sound isn't neccesarily appropriation), Culture Jamming,
CopyLeft, Public Domain...



> It might be interesting to compare/contrast the differences between
>some of the more recent entities practicing collage music. This would be
>something like dance music (EBN, Coldcut) vs. academic (John Oswald, etc.)
>vs. radio oriented (Negativland, Chicago Sound Studios, Aerial compilation
>people, etc.) and so on...

Yes, great idea. Not only recent and not only music - what's the
difference between John Heartfield and Max Ernst? Duchamp and
Rauschenberg? Koons and Mike Kelly? Eisenstein and Brakhage?

what are the "sub-genres"?

> Other WWWLinks would be good of course. That amusingly detailed list of
>samples from industrial songs comes to mind. Oswald's site, Negativland's
>site. Don't forget MACOS. More ideas later...

yes. i think the FAQ should be self contained, though. The Rhizome page
has all those links. If stuff comes up of course i'll link to it in the
FAQ, but ideally i think a FAQ should just be good old clear explanatory
prose.

btw, anyone have the URL for that industrial sample-list? there's a Pop
Will Eat Itself sample list on the PWEI Nation site:
http://www.tiac.net/users/daveread/pwsi/pwsi.htm
Thanx Mark! Thanx everyone! keep those ideas coming. stretch your
minds..... and feel free to write some extended "answers" and send them in. We can discuss them, edit, and then include them in the FAQ.

maybe some stuff is too detailed for a FAQ. give me your ideas for
where the line should be. I want to include articles and essays
that go further too, elsewhere on the site, so if any of you
feel the urge to get literary, please do!

thankyouthankyouthinkyouthinkyou,

smh


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