[rumori] The Sample Clearance Fund: A proposal

Steev [rumori] The Sample Clearance Fund: A proposal
Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (00904262858, Pine.LNX.4.02.9808270851270.18533-100000ATflotsam.detritus.net)

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Boster, Bob wrote:

>>Steve, I'm getting tired of waiting for your solution,

I promise it's coming soon. See Jon's last message while you're waiting,
cuz he pretty much beat me to it.

>>Much speculation about what I mean by connotation (recognizability or not). I
>>guess what I mean is totally about structural context, but it includes
>>recognizability as a factor. I realize this is completely MY STANDARD, I
>>don't mean to push it on anyone, but offer it to advance conversation. Some

All my comments in this thread come with this qualifier as well. :-)

>>if you take a recognizable beat fragment and then use it in your piece as
>>beat material that depends on the fact that you recognize it's source, that's
>>not OK (by this standard "Hippychick" is not acceptable because it uses a
>>"How Soon is Now" sample for the same kind of musical material as it's
>>original usage - chordal theme material - and get's it's creative "juice"
>>from the fact that you recognize the sample, virtually untransformed).

I think that creative juice idea is the best evaluation variable yet,
though it's pretty vague. I can just imagine some lawyers in a courtroom
"Your honor, this recording clearly gets it's creative juice directly from the intellectual property of my client." But still a very nice concept.
Others have stated it similarly like so: the new work must clearly bear
the mark of the new author, more strongly than that of the old one(s).

This too is quite vague, but it's a pretty nice guideline. If you
experience a work of sample-art and you think, "this is obviously something different and new, and though it contains someone else's work,
that someone would probably never create this, and i could never confuse
this with what he/she would do" then, it's "OK".
But if instead the new work is simply a parasite, feeding on the
popularity or "juice" of the old work, tricking people by its simliarity to the old work, then it's not OK.

>>if you put a slice of something musical into a new piece where you are just
>>"touching" it's reference briefly in the piece, that's OK (in other words, I
>>would say "Bomb the Bass" or "Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel" is
>>fine). repetitive references to the same reference starts to become a theme,
>>and then it's not OK.

this is where it gets problematic. Again, I don't think you can make
across the board rules, and there are going to arguements no matter what
you do. until the end. (see my next post.)


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