Re: [rumori] RE: pho: "threshold" for copyright??

From: Chris Ball (
Date: Mon Mar 12 2001 - 14:32:19 PST

People don't create music, they just recognize ('discover') and arrange it.
Technically, human concepts of harmony, scale, and intonation are all
mathematically derived from the behavior of strings and air columns, as
computed for the elimination of most beat frequencies.

All music is collage. All music is derivative math. Imagine a copyright on
3.14159. ( Middle C... Apple pie...)

At the same time all music is original each time it's played because the
characteristics of the room are different.

All music is collage of sounds from the catalog of recognized ("discovered")
musical sounds. What has increased during this century is the catalog.
Perhaps the catalog is complete. I'm sure it's larger than an individual
could listen to in a lifetime!

However, I think there are a lot of recognitions still to be made in the
arrangement of sounds from the catalog. Especially in the time domain- that
is to say rhythm.

I could be wrong, because I haven't heard everything that's been arranged.
That's the other revolution we almost achieved with Napster - distribution
of examples.

Somebody tell me who I'm plaigarizing here (besides Pythagoras, Cage, and
Disney's "Toot Whistle Plunk Boom", I never keep track ;)

Lawyers are the scrubbing bubbles that keep track of precedence - so we
don't have to-oo-oo-.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Joyce" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 7:30 PM
Subject: [rumori] RE: pho: "threshold" for copyright??

> "The infinity of opportunities between what has already been done is vast,
> the rivers of precedent exceedingly narrow."
> I wont say I can't say it better but I almost can't! I think it was
> Rauschenberg, the painter (and a collagist) who said in the 50s that what
> he was interested in was not things, but what was between things. No one
> wants to think that the possibility for precedent is gone, but if you can
> say the possibilities for precedent are dwindling, then you have pretty
> much acknowledged that there IS an end to it. (dwindling towards what?).
> I think the end of musical precedent has been reached, and some time ago
> that. Most of music just hasn't bothered to noticed because most of music
> is not interersted in precedent anyway, but has always been about
> rearranging the deck chairs. But in fact, it's over, Johnny.

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