Re: [rumori] curve of sound innovation
Date: Wed Mar 14 2001 - 13:16:11 PST

"Just that the basic building blocks are all discovered."

If you want to break down this argument to its essence, you could say that
all sound is generated by vibrating, resonant bodies - your acoustic
instruments, strings, percussion, human & animal voices, etc - or sound is
generated electrically by oscillators and filters and amplifier circuits.
There isn't anything more than that! Everything discussed thus far can be
described by these basic elements.

All the musical & otherwise sonic combinations HAVE NOT been explored. I
agree with that, however, are we forgetting that MUSIC is basically a
subjective response to sound? It's hard to pin labels on it.

Let's not even begin to discuss genres...

take it easy,

Steev Hise <> on 03/14/2001 03:45:20 PM

Please respond to

cc: (bcc: Dan Serkland/National/NISH)
Subject: Re: [rumori] curve of sound innovation

Wed, 14 Mar 2001 found matt davignon writing:

>>From: Don Joyce <>
>>I can't prove a negative. Simply give me a "brand new" sonic element in
>>music, or a procedure to make it, and I will tell you where and when it
>>occured in music BEFORE now as a precedent in the history of music.
>I'll bite:

Matt all your examples (and Taylor's earlier, about black
holes and whales and whatnot) are differences in degree but
not kind. I'm with Don, I think. All the basic "categories"
are covered. mentioning all these variations is like
listing the various colors that Fender Stratocasters come

but as Don keeps saying, this doesnt mean there's no new
music possible. Just that the basic building blocks are all
discovered. it's like saying we've sailed around the globe,
but every inch of it has yet to be visited.


>By "sonic element" are you referring to sound generation? Or
>Daxophone - a specifically shaped piece of wood played off the edge of a
>table with a bow. It sounds remarkably like altered vocal samples. It's
>of Hans Reichel's main instruments.
>Circuit-bent instruments
>Thai Elephant Orchestra
>Personal home computer recording & CD production - I believe this really
>an effect on how music is made today. For example, the visual interface,
>the ability to click and drag sounds into a linear pattern that can be
>played. Sure, there was already tape splicing and digital samplers, but
>popularity of programs like ACID are changing the way people think about
>music production.
>The digital effects that have appeared recently (within the last 10
>within digital composition programs. Bit Decimation and Granular
>for example.
>I've heard lots of people say that "everything that can be done has been
>done," and I simply don't buy it. It's like saying, "Every scientific
>to be discovered about the Earth has already been discovered," when we're
>still in the midst of learning all sorts of new stuff!
>You can say that all frequencies of sound within the human range of
>have been reached, and I'll believe you. You can even say that all
>combinations of notes in the harmonic series have been played before, and
>I'll buy that. There is so much more to music than raw notes though.
>Compositional technique (how we come to that pattern of notes),
>instrumentation/sound generation, technology (including sampling),
>and dynamic range all play a large part in how we hear music, and I can't
>believe that all those avenues have been previously exploited.
>If they have, then we might as well all stop right now.
>I would argue that you, Don Joyce, have added a new element to the world
>music with both Over the Edge and Negativland, and that several people on
>this list who have been inspired by you have gone on to create their own
>unique forms in the world of sampled music.
>Matt Davignon
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