Re: [rumori] [pluphonia] [james newton vs beastie boys] vs. alan korn

From: Steev Hise (
Date: Tue Jul 02 2002 - 01:05:49 PDT

on Tue, 2 Jul 2002 Jason J. Tar told me:

>At 06:05 PM 7/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>My stance is that it's a little of both. In a formal, artistic,
>>and aesthetic sense, what is being sampled and how is certainly
>>interesting, but in other ways it matters a LOT who is being
>>sampled and who is doing the sampling, because there's often a
>>power relationship involved.
>My problem with this is that you are throwing in value judgements. Clouds
>the issue a bit, dontcha think?

Yes, it may be a value judgement. So be it. life is full of value
judgements. you do what's right if you're such a person that
wants to be good and do the right thing. if you don't, go ahead
and do whatever you want and be amoral. that's up to each person
to decide. On the other hand it's probably debatable whether
we're even talking about value judgements... Since it's usually a
simple and objective matter to tell who is the stronger and who
is the weaker in most of these cultural appropriation cases.

Anyway, no, it doesn't cloud the issue, because the question, as
voiced by Philo, is precisely one of personal choice: what is
each person's stance?

>Does it become a system where one only has
>to pay to sample if they can afford to, and those who can't can do it for
>free? Who decides who can pay and who cannot?

it's not a question of payment, it's a question of doing it at
all. I'm not sponsoring a bill in Congress, i was just talking
about my own practice as an artist. I have certain things I won't
do when I make art. Do you? If so, why, and might your reasons
have anything to do with the values you believe in (if you
believe in any)?

>I still stick to the "good for the goose, good for the gander" type
>thought-process, and feel that if it is right (legally and morally) in one
>direction then it needs to be right in the other direction as well.

Unfortunately I fear that's a bit too simplistic, though it
sounds nice. Law and many forms of morality are both full of
cases where the rich and powerful are treated differently than
the poor and disenfranchised.

Often it's in the wrong direction for many years, and finally
regulations are put in place to right the wrong. Affirmative
Action is a good example of this.


Steev Hise, Automagickal Adept
*Recycled Culture:
*Watching power flow:
"Each and every sample is fragmented and bereft of prior
 meaning, kind of like a future without a past.
 They're given meaning only when represented in the
 assemblage of the mix. In this way, the DJ acts as the cybernetic
 inheritor of the improvisational tradition of jazz."
             -DJ Spooky

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