Re: [rumori] Fwd: UR Vs SONY

Steev Hise (
Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:11:24 -0800 (PST)

Sat, 18 Dec 1999 found Anki Toner writing:

>The problem with Sony seems to be that they are making a lot of money.
>That's what they are meant to do. That's why they exist in the first
>place. So the real issue is their existence, which of course leads us to
>discuss the capitalist system, &c. There, you can count me in.

you mean count you in on the discussion, or in on capitalism?

>>2. I've never advocated the freedom to copy something wholesale and make a
>>bunch of money selling the copies.
>You seem really uncomfortable about money, Steve.

Yeah, you're right, I'm uncomfortable about money, for the simple reason
that art and commerce don't mix. everywhere i look commerce is fucking
over art. so yeah, that makes me uncomfortable.

>I try not to let money
>issues influence the way I think (which is not the same thing than not
>thinking about how money influences us and the way we think).

this is an interesting piece of potential doublespeak. care to explain?
perhaps it's just a typo...

>That's what I meant when I said we are discussing the very existence of

We may be getting too far off topic here. But maybe people are interested.
What do y'all think? speak up if you don't want a discussion about

Anyway, I'll just say that there are more and more very smart people these
days who are saying that the biggest problem facing the world right now is
corporatism. My favorite advocate of this right now is Rtmark, so i would
direct you to if you havent read their take on things yet.
Of course there are many other more aboveground figures who are or have
been taking this stance as well, like Norman Solomon, Noam Chomsky, Ralph
Nader, etc etc.

>>"Even though it's true, they shouldn't believe it, because when I
>> wrote it, I thought it was a lie."
>> -Kenneth J. Schmidt
>Funny you used that one.

my sig quotes are random, therefore i confess both guilt and
innocence. ;-)

(btw, that one is from Norman Mailer - back when he wrote a column for the
Village Voice, this Schmidt guy wrote in to respond to something and
everyone took his reponse the wrong way. or something like
that. indeed, a strangely relevant coincidence, no?)


Steev Hise, Automagickal Adept
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"We work at 'service' or info-related jobs, helping in our little
way to move disembodied symbols of wealth around an abstract grid
of capital."
                -Hakim Bey

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