Re: [rumori] plunderphonia, and other words

Steev Hise (
Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:20:45 -0700 (PDT)

Wed, 5 Apr 2000 found Jason J. Tar writing:

>My point was that this dispute on definitions of terms seems a bit
>nitpicky. Everything has been defined in one way or another by
>someone...for the most part. To use terms without a context to explain
>them in seems a bit shortsighted. With the context, then ones use becomes
>more clear.

You can't depend completely on context, though. If so, we wouldn't have
dictionaries. I started trying to define "plunderphonic music" because
people were throwing around the term on a different list in ways that
seemed to contradict how i thought of the term. I thought things would be
clearer if it was clearly defined, and that the question was interesting
to this list as well, so i cross-posted. but i guess that served to remove
the context.

Some words ARE much less used than others, and are less recognizable
as being associated with a certain writer, thinker, etc than others. Name
someone besides Oswald who independantly coined the word "plunderphonic".

This is actually pretty relevant in another way because whenever we
appropriate we depend on a meaning that a source retains even after being
removed from it's context. That's the great thing about it. You snip
something out of its original surroundings and yet it magically retains
the ghost of those surroundings. But how clear that ghost is depends on
the viewer/listener having a certain cultural background. If the context
isn't clear enough the meaning of the piece is fuzzy. But an
appropriative artwork is different than an actual discussion, is it not?
Sometimes you need to define your terms before the discussion can reach a
higher level. Hmm. Perhaps there's some way to define the "terms" of a
collage as well (without simply citing your sources)?


Steev Hise, Subversive Radical Hippy Hacker
"When I saw the prospect of living the way the rest of the
 world was living, I decided no way, that's disgusting,
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