Re: [rumori] Re: pho: limited times in the Internet world

From: Don Joyce (
Date: Wed Feb 21 2001 - 13:44:21 PST

What's wrong with the moral rights system in Europe is that it ALSO
requires creator/owner permission for all and any reuses, including, you
should know, collage. So the people who invented collage are suppressing it
even more thoroughly than we are. I don't even think they have an
equivilant of our Fair Use. It has way overreaching power over the public
desire to copy and especially transform existing work. Moral law intended
to protect the "integrity" of works for all time, but what they did is make
them untouchable without payment and permission for the forseeable future
for any purpose, including new art. This is artist as God, and it's even
worse than our artist as commercially operated slug.

>Tue, 20 Feb 2001 found Don Joyce quoting some guy "Duff":
>->>minded, I try to keep reminding myself that for many artists, control is
>->>even more important than cashola, and a compulsory license eviscerates that
>This is interesting because in France and I think the UK and
>some other European countries part of copyright law is
>something called "Moral Rights" which basically, as i
>understand it, give an artist control of the use of their
>work, independant of copyright. so he could sell the
>copyright of a work to some corporation but later forbid
>them from using it in a certain situation. At least I think
>this is how it works. I think it also covers the right to
>always be credited for something.
>I've always thought this was an interesting variant of
>intellectual property law and wondered what it is about
>American culture and jurisprudence that caused that to not
>be included in our statutes. I suppose it's a bit too
>romantic a notion, gets in the way. It upholds the
>authorship funtion a little too strongly for capitalism's
>tastes. Afterall, a commodity should be freely tradable, no
>"moral" strings attached, right? heh.
>Steev Hise, Would-be World-Wide Web Wizard (WWWWW)
>"All we ever have is daily life. When so much of it is taken up
> with doing things we don't particularly want to do, going through
> motions of being who we don't particularly want to be, our lives
> are slipping away. As one uneasy hectic day follows another,
> many workers yearn for a substantive remedy. Dilbert is a
> cynical placebo."
> -Norman Solomon, "The Trouble with Dilbert"
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