Re: [rumori] re: no fun allowed

From: Don Joyce (
Date: Wed May 02 2001 - 02:18:07 PDT

You're extrapolating too much!
My ONLY point in this argument is that whether you are rich & famous or
poor and unknown, whether you are played a million times in establishments
or 5 times or no times, ASCAP has absolutely no way of knowing which and
admits it! Therefore, THIS practice, charging ESTABLISHMENTS for playing
recorded music under the guise of compensating artists, is complete
bullshit and represents nothing actually happening in reality whatsoever.
The restaurant payments are based on RADIO PLAY, which already provides
compensation separately and which, while far from accurate, I am not
advocating be stopped because there is at least the hope of becoming
accurate there. There is NO HOPE of this EVER working for multi-millions of
establishment sound systems. Charging for restaurant play should be stopped
entirely because THAT tracking process DOES NOT EXIST.
Music played to be ignored while we eat should be FREE. I, however, would
like to ask that it be turned off. Long live free music.

>MEEP! Don Joyce <> wrote:
>>God knows how they divy up the gold
>>they extract with only this hokum to go by, but you can bet it has only a
>>passing relationship with what actually happened. And no one can prove it
>>does or doesn't.
>WOW! A statement that can't be proved or disproved... that's the *perfect*
>foundation for a strong argument!
>>On WHAT station is
>>the Duke Ellington regailing our 40s soda shop being represented enough to
>>even register?! The Duke's estate WILL NOT BE PAID A CENT of that $300
>>bill! Instead, Brittany Spears will get it!
>In all likelihood, you're right. Your '40s soda shop probably represents
>less than 1-30,000th of the businesses paying the ASCAP levy (or whatever
>you want to call it), and Ellington probably accounts for another
>preposterously small fraction of the airplay that is being used as a
>determining factor in parcelling out the dough. As you pointed out,
>pinpoint specifics are *not* the strength of an industry-wide monitoring
>tool/practice/whatever, especially when you start getting down into
>micro-market-share participants (in terms of airtime) like, say, Stinky
>Jake and the Happytones. Beyond the local or regional levels, though, when
>a musician's work starts being heard by more than a couple of thousand of
>people (at whatever point sales blips become apparent to top-down market
>surveys), do you think that they should have to give up performance
>residuals because somebody being heard by six people in a diner somewhere
>is making a fraction of a cent under that same system? Is *every* musician
>due a whole whack of cash simply by virtue of being heard by somebody other
>than his/her roommate?
> In theory, I agree with a lot of what Don is saying: this collection
>system is a lousy way of rewarding anybody who hasn't captured the hearts
>and wallets of an entire society, but consider the alternatives. Should all
>of a radio station's ad revenue (that isn't spent on operating costs)
>remain in the hands of the radio station? How else could per-performance
>fees be monitored, if at all? Soundscan, after all, is a joke; it isn't
>realistic to have an accountant with a notepad stationed in front of every
>font of music on the planet; there aren't enough people (relative to the
>size of the worldwide market for music) online to make any attempts at
>monitoring download rates worth the effort (not to mention privacy
>concerns, etc.).
>As an aside, I'm sure that this is also a perfectly interesting discussion,
>but is it really necessary to cross-post *only* the outraged tirades
>against ASCAP Flack(tm) to rumori? Or *any* of this discussion, for that
>matter, now that we know that it is taking place on pho?
> As a further aside, I marvel at the amount of time that Don must spend
>reading and typing during the day, and frankly, I'm sort of jealous.
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