RE: [rumori] the simple and post-modern


From: Paulin, Christopher (Christopher.PaulinATmoh.gov.on.ca)
Date: Fri Jun 01 2001 - 10:13:19 PDT


My questioning was directed more at what constitutes "art" in a particular
situation.

I was wondering what separates a true copy from being art or craft. I don't
believe that they are the same thing. Art requires craft; craft does not
require art. In the case of a true copy, the artfulness comes from the
subtext, not the actual content, of the piece.

I was also wondering about ownership. If my copy is flawless, what makes it
truly mine?

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: dserklandATnish.org [mailto:dserklandATnish.org]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:42 AM
To: rumoriATdetritus.net
Subject: Re: [rumori] the simple and post-modern

Steev: "dan, you misunderstand. The topic is not what is art. it's
how do you value art. Sure, let's agree that everything is
art. but now how do you judge it, especially the art that is
a copy of some other art?"

Chris P.:"My real question was about value to the (re)creator: If I make a
simulacrum
of an existing piece, how can it be of value to me? I don't think you can
say "it's art, period". For me, art has to have a direction and a purpose
beyond its creation."

The original question was vague. No, my answer wouldn't be appropriate in
some cases. Chris, are you asking how can an artist value their own work?

Steev:"there ARE answers, but they're difficult. they require time
and effort. that's my point. it's just being lazy to throw
up your hands and say "it's all good"."

There are levels at which many things are the same. I don't think you
appreciate the value of this perspective, and I don't think you understand
my answer; it's not the end-all-be-all (stop laughing) to some method of
judging the value of art. On one level, art's just art, everything is
subjective, whoopdee, no value, however everyone has a different
appreciation of the "art" and everyone values it differently; that's the
objective perspective I think YOU think I'm trying to satisfy with my
blanket answers.

Steev:"have you actually never heard of it before? i seem to
remember you mentioning you were in college and were taking
some art classes or something. did no one mention
postmodernism in these classes?"

No. True, but it's been a while, too. Can't remember. I read several
dictionary definitions and read about it in context dozens of times, but
it's still pretty nebulous.

"steev, you crack me up. "

Jon, you crack _me_ up.

ugh,
dan

Steev Hise <steevATdetritus.net> on 05/31/2001 06:12:04 PM

Please respond to rumoriATdetritus.net

To: rumoriATdetritus.net
cc: (bcc: Dan Serkland/National/NISH)
Subject: Re: [rumori] the simple and post-modern

dan, you misunderstand. The topic is not what is art. it's
how do you value art. Sure, let's agree that everything is
art. but now how do you judge it, especially the art that is
a copy of some other art?

>I agree that Chris' question was provocative and well-founded (or I
>wouldn't have tried to answer), and I agree that there are no clear cut
>answers OTHER THAN "it's all art/ it's all good." I don't deny that this
is

for me your answer was a non-answer, that why i objected to
it. it was cop-out. lack of easy answers does not mean one
should dismiss the issue with an easy non-answer.

>I don't see how I could be wrong about something with no real answer.
BTW,

there ARE answers, but they're difficult. they require time
and effort. that's my point. it's just being lazy to throw
up your hands and say "it's all good".

>Can anyone reccommend a source that discusses the concept of
>"post-modernism?"

have you actually never heard of it before? i seem to
remember you mentioning you were in college and were taking
some art classes or something. did no one mention
postmodernism in these classes?

try this:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/086316188X/ref%3Dnosim/hallbook/002-
6139028-7326414

 and here's a good site on it:
http://www.ebbflux.com/postmodern/

smh

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