Re: [rumori] plunderphonia, and other words

Steev Hise (
Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:38:59 -0700 (PDT)

Tue, 4 Apr 2000 found writing:

>But "plunderphonic" sounds so COOL and _underground_ ;^)

heh. and also misleading, even besides my previous points. it perpetuates
the myth that what we're doing is wrong, that it's theft.

>What does "musique concrete" have to do with sampling? I understand

that's kind of my point. all these areas are related but different. a
subset of musique concrete is sampling, at least conceptually (considering
rabbit's note about technology, none of Pierre Schaeffer's work was really
"sampling", but in spirit, it was, i think). We're looking at lots of
Circles that overlap, a venn diagram, i think it's called. all squares are
rectangles but not all rectangles are squares....

>Schaeffer was using disc recording and tape, but he wasn't using
>copyrighted works or music - I thought he was using stuff you'd call field
>recordings. I understood the term to mean "music made from sound," as
>opposed to [western] music made from instruments and pitches. Educate me,
>Steev, I've only read a little on Schaeffer.

you're right about schaeffer partially. but some of his source material
was pre-existing recordings, if i'm not mistaken. but sampling doesnt
neccesarily mean copyright infringement either. again, there's a subset of
it that is infringement. and copyright infringement is a subset of
intellectual property law violation. and intellectual property is a form
of property. and property is a form of... well, never mind...


>"Detritus" is the best term. It's important that people make the connection
>that _this stuff_ is natural (say "valid.")

thanx, that's very true!


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