Re: [rumori] curve of sound innovation

From: Steev Hise (
Date: Wed Mar 14 2001 - 21:02:50 PST

Wed, 14 Mar 2001 found Lloyd Dunn writing:

>english uses an alphabet of only 26 letters, and yet ...

that's sort of missing the point. i think don's original (no
pun intended) point was, to continue your metaphor, we've
only just recently finished discovering the 26 letters. now
there's no more new letters, but there's still more words to
write with them...


>see what i mean?
>> >I can't prove a negative. Simply give me a "brand new" sonic element in
>>>music, or a procedure to make it, and I will tell you where and when it has
>>>occured in music BEFORE now as a precedent in the history of music. This
>>>ridiculous argument is all about musical precedent... what music might
>>>consist of that has not been part of music before. I contend there are NO
>>>sonic precedents left to be achieved by modern music.
>>It occurs to me that you are having us all on with this "music is dead"
>>business. It is exatly the same po-mo argument critics have been making
>>for the last 20 years about why ART is dead.
>>Am I blowing your cover? The argument that the addition of new kinds of
>>sounds integrated into music is the detertmining factor for whether or
>>not music itself is new presupposes that the goal of music practice has
>>been the addition of new kinds of sounds. What about the directions the
>>rest of the post-1964 art world has taken? Works that embody a question
>>about the role of music, or which consider new forms that can be
>>considered music, for example, do not require "new" sounds to be
>>integrtaed. Music went along through centuries of development without
>>"new" kinds of sounds (toot, whistle, plunk, boom) without anyone
>>complaining about "new" noises.
>>I'm teaching this kind of stuff at a University now, so it's all in my
>>mind at the moment, but for those who might care, I refer to Crowther,
>>Paul, 1990 "Postmodernism in the Visual Arts: A question of ends" in R.
>>Boyne and A Rattansi, eds. _Postmodernism and Society_, New York: St.
>>Martin's, 1990. 237-59
>>This essay pretty much puts the "Art is Dead" controversy to rest and
>>probably applies to "Music is Dead" as well.
>>Anyone wants me to get into ridiculous explicit details, I will; I'm that
>>kind of guy.
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