Re: [rumori] also in Spin/Wire

From: David Dixon (
Date: Tue Apr 02 2002 - 23:33:00 PST

I completely agree with jima here, especially his last point. Even though
D'oke is more musique bubblegum than musique concrete, it's a fun and
harmless way to introduce the average person to the cut-and-paste
aesthetic... especially kids. Remember "Spliceway to Heaven"? That song
(heard on the Dr. Demento show, incidentally) was a huge influence on me
when I was 12. D'oke could have a similar influence on a kid who is 12.
For example, one of my D'oke pieces, "Green Eggs and Ham," has been a
regular staple on a *kids'* radio program at WFMU ("Greasy Kid Stuff").
They get requests for it often... from kids.

Get 'em while they're young!

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Allenspach" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [rumori] also in Spin/Wire

> Some thoughts on Pan's e-mail:
> > It got old
> > during the second song.
> I completely agree. Even when I was creating some songs, at some point
> it became less of a lark and more of a chore. The idea of a song with
> strange vocals isn't quite enough to carry a whole library of tunes; to
> be more listenable, a D'oke song needs to add something unique to the
> formula. Which is why, once I made the first couple of songs, I went
> looking for another idea, and hit upon the duet (i.e., putting together
> lines using more than one source).
> Actually, when I was first coming up with the idea, I was hoping that
> the songs would be a means to an end, rather than the final product. The
> idea of having a readily available sound library of just about any word
> in the English language is one that should appeal to any culture jammer,
> and my hope was that people would find other (better) uses for the
> samples, and not just view D'oke songs as the only thing to do with
> them.
> > I would posit that it's "safe" culture jamming. It doesn't really bring
> > up any specific cultural issues other than a general "We could get sued
> > to redoing these songs". I suppose if you take the info on the website
> > into account, there is some substance. However, on their own the songs
> > don't really bring up any issues. John Q. Public just hears silly songs.
> I agree with you on this point. When the songs started showing up on the
> Dr. Demento Show, I knew the moment had passed, and the songs were just
> another novelty.
> But (a) by the nature of the songs, it's difficult to get across any
> culture jamming ideas (apart from the idea that culture can be reused
> and recycled into something different than its original form), and (b)
> even if it's just a novelty, I like to think of it as one more addition
> to the general listening public's subconscious that may bolster the
> argument that the reuse of culture is not a damaging thing.
> jma
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