Re: [rumori] Gilligan's Wake & Intertextuality
Date: Sun Feb 23 2003 - 19:27:28 PST

Another comic which I believe is on target with your intertextuality

Cerebus (the Aardvark) - Certain major repeating characters use real
personas. For instance the leader of one of the local provinces is
named Lord Julius (ie Groucho Marx), and comes complete with all the one
liners and tricky mental games/linguistics. (Cerebus becomes Lord
Julius's "Kitchen Staff Supervisor" ie his number 2 man) Other
characters in the storyline have been F Scott Fitzgerald, Mick Jagger,
Mr. & Mrs. Hemmingway, Foghorn Leghorn, Oscar Wilde, various members of
the X-men & now Woody Allen (current storyline dealing with the bible).
 Plus Dave Sim at one point or another mentions alot of the major comic
book artist of the last 50+ years. the comic started as an aardvarkian
Conan the Barbarian, but after the first couple years evolved into
something different.

some minor but maybe someone can expose why they might be more relevant.
 or let me know if i'm missing the point.

the comic Scud "The Disposable Assassin" had an arch enemy who only
spoke in quotes from pop nonsense. at the beginning of the graphic
novels, the author artist Rob Schrab would list all the quote
references. for instance in one book Army of Darkness, Peaches n' Herb,
Johnny Cash, Dr No, Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen, Hee Haw, Buck
Rogers, Koolaid commercial, Pole Position, Ed Wood, Texas Chainsaw
Massacre, Malcome X, the Hobbit, and some others are all one sentence
quoted by the parts assembled villian (body was a squid, head was a
three pronged plug, one arm from a gorrila, etc). each chapter also had
a soundtrack, stunt coordinator and other references of no consequence.

Speaking of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (stay away from the movie
it looks horrible, and the second comic book storyline looses alot of
it's original charm) but Alan Moore is known for his well researched
storys. the Watchmen although it doesn't reference any other comic book
heros directly, it is one big critic of the genre. so if you know super
hero kind you can say this character mocks/represents so and so. don't
need a great super hero knowledge base though to understand the story.
and Moore/Campbell's 'From Hell' probably is similar in it's grounding
in 18th century England references, as tLoEG.

i don't think your looking to delve into tv but what's the difference
between what was done in The Extraordinary League of Gentlemen comic
book and what was done in the Hercules and Xena tv series (which
eventually invaded every world religion from any time), if you've seen them?

Steev Hise wrote:

>I'd like to start a thread about other highly intertextual
>literary works of fiction - those that make lots and lots of
>references (in one way or another) to other works. Please send in
>any you can think of. and discuss the varieties of referencing...
>my criteria for now are works that make (overt) references to
>more than one other work, so leaving aside things like
>"Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead", "Lo's Diary", "The Wind
>Done Gone", and the recent "Snowball's Chance", which are great
>but are really only concentrating on one referent.
>Others on my list would be:
>Foucault's Pendulum, Umberto Eco
>The Illuminatus Trilogy, Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea
>Ulysses, James Joyce
>The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (ok, it's a comic book, but so what?
> - for those who havent heard of it, this is an X-men sort of
>story about a group of heroes in the 1890s working on secret
>missions for England, who are all from previous literature, like
>Captain Nemo, the Invisible Man, etc
>Steev Hise, Technical Thug

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